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merous than that of the enemy is house to say, that even at sea, we pow almost sure of victory, if not fa- have had signal success thro' the crificed by some egregious blunder whole course of the war? Surely, in their general. For this reason, if the taking of a few rich prizes, or our ministers saw, that it would be a few single ships of war, cannot be imposible for them to bring an army called signal success. Have we had into the field, near so numerous as A any other, except in the last year of that of the enemy, they should have the war? Therefore, we may declare taken the advice of the Bible which, I ourselves truly sensible of the signal hope, they have read in their youth, success, which in the last year of the tho' now perhaps they never look war attended his majeity's arms at into it: They should even before sea, and which our minifters might the battle of Fontenoy, have sent to have made a much better use of in their the Frir.ch king and desired condi- B negotiations for peace, than they aptions of peace, since they could not pear to have done ; but when we re. propose with 10,000 to meet him flect upon the unfortunate sea-fight with his 20,000. If they had done near Toulon, when we reflect upon the this, they might, I believe, then escape of the French fleet, to and have obtained as good a peace as

from the Weft-Indies, during every they got at last, and would have year to the very last year of the war, faved ihe lives of some thousands of C can we with any decency fay, that brave British subjects, who by their we are truly sensible of the signal death did great honour to the cou- success, which has attended his marage, but very little to the counsels jesty's arms at sea, thro' the course of their country:

of the war? I therefore think, Sir, that if this The other sentence in this paraparagraph be allow'd to stand part graph, which I find fault with, is in of our address, we should conclude it D these words, by making good its enin the following manner: And as all gagements. I shall chearfully join, due attention shall be paid on our part, Sir, in assuring his majesty, that we to the services of those gallant men, will grant such supplies as are necefwho have signaliz'dibemselves fogla- fary to preserve the honour of the riously in defence of their country, we nation, but I cannot add, by making hope a frict enquiry will be made into good its engagements, before I know the causes, which render'd the events of E what those engagements are. The the war so little answerable to the late treaty of peace is not yet laid bravery of the troops employed. Such before us, and therefore, we neither a conclusion as this would look some- do, nor can know what engagements thing like the antient spirit of our his majesty may have been advised Britis perliaments; but as I think by his ministers to enter into by that the whole paragraph, as well as the treaty. Shall we then oblige ourtwo preceding, ought to be left out, F selves to make good those engageI do not hereby intend to propose ments, when, for what we know, any thing by way of amendment.

they may be such as must be attendI come now, Sir, to what the no. ed with certain ruin to the nation ? ble lord has propos'd as the last pa- Thus, Sir, I have deliver'd my rigraph of our address, and this I sentiments, of what has been offer'd hould readily agree to, if two short by the noble lord by way of an ad. fentences were left out, the first of G dress upon this occasion; but as I do which is in these words, thro' the not know how they may be receiv’d course of the war. Is it possible for by the house, I shall not conclude any gentleman to say, is ii confiftent

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tion but some gentleman whose fen- speech, we may with absolute freetiments are the same with mine, will dom not only censure the measure, rise up and move for the proper a- but censure and punish the ministers mendments; for otherwise, let the who advised such a misrepresentation. consequences be wiat they will, I After what I have premised, Sir, must give my negative to the moti- I believe, it will be easy to answer on, which l bail do with regret, be. A the objections made by the Hon. cause I think some sort of an address gentleman to any of the expressions necessary by way of answer to his

proposed to be made use of in our majesty's most gracious speech from address upon this occasion ; but first the throne.

I must observe, that in stating those

objections the Hon. gentleman gave The next that Spoke in this Debate, was Quintus Mucius, whose Speech B perhaps he neither designed it, nor

me a good deal of pleasure, tho' was to this Effect.

supposed he had done so : The whole Mr. President,

tenor of his harangue was a sort of SIR,

anti-oratory, for almost every word HE Hon. gentleman was

he said concluded, in my opinion, much in the right to begin

against what he, I believe, intended, with telling us, that he despaired of

which was a method of speaking so any success in the opposition he was C new to me, that I could not help to make to the address proposed ;

being pleased with it. Now, bir, for it is so modest, and all the ex

as to the late treaty of peace, I pressions fo general, that no juft ex- know as little of it as the Hon. genception can be found to any one of

tleman does: All that either of us them, especially as every gentleman

knows of it, I believe, is from the knows, that in our future proceedings publick news papers ; and if the arwe are not ty'd down by any words Dticles be such as have been related by or expressions in our address upon them, I must say, that I think it a this occasion; and as it is a custom l

better and more honourable peace, which I may now call immemorial, than could be expected by any one, to make some compliment to our so

who considered the situation in which vereign, upon every article which he the affairs of Europe were at that has been graciously pleased to men- time. For my part, Sir, I am so far tion to us in his speech from the E from thinking the peace a bad one, throne ; as such compliments have that I am surprised how the French always been made or mov'd for, the came to offer, or agree to such terms very first day of the session, they ne- as they did. Gentlemen talk of our ver were, nor indeed ever could be giving up the only conquest we had founded upon what is called parlia- made during the war : Let us confimentary knowledge, nor can luch a der, what the enemy have given up: knowledge ever be required or F The French have given up all their thought necessary. They are found- wide extended conquests in Flanders: ed solely upon what his majesty has They have given up near as much as been pleased to communicate in his cost us ten zears of the most successful speech, the truth of every part of war we were ever engaged in, to which is, for that time at least, taken take from them. And the Spaniards, for granted; and if upon a proper

in consideration of the two small inquiry, when we have all proper G dutchies of Parma and Placentia, lights before us, and have from have given up the large dutchy of thence obtain'd a parliamentary Savoy, and the important county of knowledge: I say, if it ihould then I

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to imagine, that we had been every of France ; and tho’ I only suppose where victorious in the war, and this, yet I must say, that I think that they were in the utmost danger the supposition highly probable, for of being undone.

the Ruijians were then at such a dirWas it so, Sir ? Does not every tance, that they could not hare gentleman know it was not: We joined our army before the month of had for three years preceding met A uly; and considering how quickly every year with a fignal defeat, and

th Frinch had reduced all the towns every defeat was attended with the in Flanders which they could inveit, loss of whole countries, and many

the little fortresses of Stevenfwaert, fortified towns. This, as the Hon. Roermont, and Venlo, together with gentleman rightly judged, was not Matfiriiht, might probably have owing to any misconduct in our ge- been reduced before the arrival of nerals, or to ary want of bravery in B the Ruffians, after which the very our troops; but folely to the fuperior being of that republick would have

; ; number of the enemy's armies : How depended on the event of one battle, could this be provided against by which is a risk no wise nation will our minifers? Will any one say, ever chuse to run, if it can by any that this nation could, or ought to means be avoided; and as the French have furnished more troops than it court could not but be sensible of did? But it will be faid, our allies C this, we cannot too much admire ought to have augmented their his majesty's wisdom in bringing quota's : So they promiled to do, them to agree to such reasonable and to thele promises, which were terms. never

performed, ministers But this danger, to which our allies trufled from year to year, till our the Dutch were exposed, was not the allies the Dutch were brought upon only danger, Sir, that made a peace the verge of defmciion Danger, D necessary for us. Surely, gentlemen Sir, has always a very different ef- have not forgot the situation in which fect upon the imagination of those our publick credit was at that time, that are near to it, from what it and the danger it was in of being has upon the imagination of those entirely blown up. Do we not reat a distance: The former view it member, that all our publick funds, thro' the right, the latter thro' the except Bank and East-India, were wrong end of a telescope : Gen- E greatly under par, and hardly any tlemen who were fitting safely here hopes of the whole money's being in London, or at their seats in the paid in upon the new subscription country, may think, the Dutch were From this fituation, I think, I may in little or no danger, but when we with reason presume, that if the talk of the neceflity of making peace, peace had not been concluded at the we must consider in what light the very time it was, our publick credit Dutch themselves viewed the danger F would have been entirely blown up; they were in. Suppose, for as I and in that case, we could not have have no knowledge of the fact, I supported the war to the end of can only suppre, they thought the that year, much less for ten or a danger to great as to threaten agreeing dozen years longer, which we proto a neutrality if we did not accept of bably must have done, before we the terms then ofered by France. could have recovered from the enemy If they had agreed to a neutrality, G all that they had then conquered, they must have withdrawn their even fupposing the war had, from troops from the allied army, in which the moment the Rufian troops arcase, even after the arrival of the rived, taken a turn in our favour, Rufinns,

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I think, I may now conclude, have been already disbanded, and Sir, that the noble lord's motion many large men of war put out of contains nothing relating to the commission; and as the peace was peace, but what we may, from the signed but last month, we may say, knowledge we have of it, agree to, that this reduction has been made especially as that knowledge has with unusual dispatch ; for whatbeen confirmed by what his majesty A ever it is in this, it is not usual in has said of it in his most gracious other countries. His objection against speech from the throne ; and as we the word economy, is another obcannot, by any thing we now say of jection of the same kind; for tho' it, be bound up from censuring both his majesty in his speech has not the treaty and treaty-makers, in made use of that word, he can mean case, upon a mature consideration, nothing else by recommending to after it has been laid before us, we B us the improvement of the publick should think, that it deserves such a revenue, which may be effectuated censure. But I am sure, nothing several ways by our economy, as the Hon. gentleman has yet been well as by the æconomy of our pleased to object to it, can afford ministers. If there be any of our ground for such a censure. The present taxes, which cannot be duly points in dispute between Spain and raised by the laws now in being, us, are points merely relating to C it is our business and our duty to concommerce, which are never fettled trive and eftablish such new methods by a general treaty, but left to be ad

as may be effectual; and if there justed afterwards by a particular treaty be any of our taxes which cannot of commerce, therefore this can be be raised without a great expence, and no objection against the treaty's being any new tax could be thought of, a definitive treaty; and if our allies which would produce as much, and have all acceded to it without reserve, D could be raised at a much less expence, surely we may say so, without en

it would be economy in us to abolith tering into any difquifition, by what the old and establish the new in its means they were brought to accede ; room; or if by one method of raising for all treaties of peace are founded money for the publick service, we upon the parties at war being re- must pay a premium as well as inspectively convinced, that they can terest for the money wanted, and a. do no better. This was the case E nother method could be contrived, of the late treaty, and this it was by which we might raise the money that made France give up all her wanted at the same interest without conquests, and Spain pass from the any premium, would it not be e. greatest part of her pretenfions in conomy in us to chuse the latter Italy; therefore I was surprized to rather than the former? The word hear the Hon. gentleman fay, that economy may therefore be applied no jarring interests had been any F to our conduct in raising, as well as other way adjusted, than by com- to the conduct of the administration pelling our allies to give up every in disposing of the publick money; thing our enemies could ask.

and if the Hon. gentleman thinks As to what the Hon. gentleman it neceflary, I am perfuaded, our was pleased to say against the next present ministers will not be against paragraph of the address proposed, our inquiring, at a proper season, it is rather criticising than arguing, G into the business as well as salaries Sir. Surely, we have no occasion of all the officers concerned in col. for parliameniary knowledge to say, lecting or managing the publick re. that the publick expence has been venue. reduced, when every gentleman I was glad to find, Sir, that the knows, that many whole regiments

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Hon. gentleman, in the humour he I am convinced, it was what forced
seemed to be in, agreed to our ac- them to agree to reasonable terms
knowledging the bravery of our of peace, notwithstanding their fig-
troops : but I must defire gentlemen nal success upon the continent of
to consider, if what he proposes to Europe.
add to this acknowledment, would To leave out these words would
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vidence as well as to his majesty ; our address upon this occasion; for and as to the other words proposed if it should be thought necessary to he left out, the Hon. gentleman to inquire into the causes which certainly forgot, or did not attend made the events of the war no way to the words in his majesty's speech, answerable to the bravery of our B to which these words relate, other. troops, that inquiry may hereafter wise he would not have made any be set on foot whenever we please, objection to them. His majesty in his tho' nothing be faid of it in our pre- speech desires us only to grant such sup- . fent address.

plies as may be requisite for the curAs to what the Hon. gentleman rent service, for our own security, and proposes, Sir, with regard to the for making good fuch engagements Ialt paragraph of the address moved C as have been already entered into, for, I believe, upon confideration it and laid before us ; therefore, what will appear, that he is not more is proposed in our address, by making lucky in his substractions than in his good the nation's engagements, can additions. Was not the destruction

relate to none but such as have been of the enemy's commerce of great laid before us, and of such we may consequence to this nation in par. properly enough be said to have a ricular, as well as to the war in ge- D parliamentary knowledge : We not neral? Was not the protection of only know them, but we have apour own commerce, by diftroying proved of them, and consequently the enemy's privateers, of great con- could not refuse to make them good, sequence? In both these have we tho' these words were entirely left not had great success during the out of our address. whole course of the War? Can it I hope, Sir, I have now suffibe any objection to our acknowledg. E ciently answered every objection made ing this, that now and then a single by the Hon. gentleman against what ship, or a fleet of ships, escaped us my noble friend has been pleased to in such a wide ocean as that betwixt propose to us; but before I sit down Europe and America ? Was not the I must observe, that it might be at. reduction of the island of Cape- tended with very pernicious conBreton, which was properly a naval sequences, should we be less full or less

, expedition, a piece of signal success? F dutiful in our acknowledgments to Had not we signal success at Porto- his majesty upon this occasion than Bed and Chagre ? Even at Car

upon any former. We have still togena we had signal success, so far several points relating to our comas related to the naval part. And

merce and plantations to settle with tho' we had not all the success that France as well as Spain : Points might have been expected at Toulon, which could not be, and indeed neand upon lome other occasions, G ver are, settled in a general treaty yet we cannot deny our having had of peace; and yet points which fignal success at sea, through the are of the utmost consequence to whole course of the war: The this nation. How shall we obtain enemy were so sensible of it, that satisfaction as to any of those points ?

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