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would have had no occasion to run ceffary for the rebels to tax the inha. in debt, or to apply to parliament bitants in order to raise the money for relief.

demanded, because it would have As to the debt contracted by the left a bad impression of them in the corporation, Sir, I am really sur- minds of all those that had been obli. prised how they came to contract ged to contribute towards that tax. fuch a debt, when it would have A This, I say, they should have done, been so easy to have raised among if they had acted prudently; for they the inhabitants the whole of what have now perhaps made it necessary was demanded by the rebels. If the for the parliament to enable them to corporation had absolutely refused

raise money by a tax upon the into raise the money, can we suppose, habitants for discharging this debt;

, that the inhabitants would not have which brings me to the other reason raised it by a general contribution, B for my being no friend to this petirather than expose themselves to be tion, or at least to the motion now plundered? This, I think, is not made to us ; because if it be necesin the leaft to be questioned; and sary to grant money for relieving therefore I must suppose, that the the city of Glassow from this debt, I magistrates had then such an applic think this the very worst and most cation as this in view, and raised the imprudent way we can chuse for money upon the credit of the cor- Cgranting it. poration, with a defign to seek re- The produce of the forfeited erlief from parliament, as soon tates is certainly, Sir, the most prothey could find a favourable oppor- per fund for this purpose, and whe. tunity, which relief they foresaw ther that fund may be sufficient or no, could never have been applied for, is a question that we ought not to had the money been raised by a con- take upon the word of any minister ; tribution among, or rather a tax up-D therefore the question now before us on the inhabitants, according to their ought to be deferred until we have respective circumstances.

made an inquiry into the probable aIf the corporation was at that mount of that produce, by ordering time so poor as is now represented, a survey of the forfeited estates, and the magistrates must have had some an account of the claims entered such thing in view ; for if the whole against them, to be laid before us revenue of the corporation be barely E the beginning of next session of sufficient to defray its annual expence, liament. But suppose this fund they could not propole to discharge should evidently appear to be insufthe debt so contracted, without a ficient, the next most proper fund grant of an equal sum of money is furely the civil lift revenue, which, from the crown or the publick, or if managed with economy, must an act of parliament impowering be fufficient for the purpołe, because them to raise it upon the inhabi- F it now exceeds what it was in the tants; and if they had any thoughts late king's time, with all the ad. of this last expedient, they acted ditional grants that were then made very imprudently; because they to it ; for the million granted to the should rather have chose, that the in. civil lift in the late king's reign, and habitants hould then be taxed by the 300,cool. paid to it by the two the rebels for raising this sum of insurance companies, made it up

but money, than that they should after-G 800,000l. yearly during that reign ; wards be taxed by parliament for whereas, I am convinced, it now raising it. Nay, if they were such exceeds 800,000l. yearly, notwith. friends to the government as they Itanding the account of deficiences pretend, they should have made it ne- lately laid before, and made good



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by parliament ; for as no inquiry was now perhaps be managed with more made either into that account, or æconomy than in the late king's into the produce of that fund in time, when by an account which former years, it can afford me no was by chance laid before parliareason for fuppofing, that the civil lift ment, it appeared, that in four revenue has not exceeded 800,000l. years time no less than two millions one year with another, ever since it A had been employed in secret service. was settled upon his present majefty; If any thing near this sum be now and I must think it hard to oblige the so employed, I do not wonder at publick to make good the deficiency, his majelty's not having so much without allowing it the benefit of to spare for acts of charity and geany former surplus: That is to say, nerosity, as many noblemen and if the civil lift revenue should for rich commoners in the kingdom, many years produce a million an. B But notwithstanding the war, I cannually, and for a few years after- not suppose, there is now near that wards, during a heavy war, should sum so employed : At least I can. produce but 750,000l. I think it is not suppose, that it has been employed hard to oblige the publick to make in procuring secret intelligence, or good the deficiency of 50,000l. year- if it has, that it has been very ill ly, without allowing it any benefit by applied; for through the whole the 200,000l. yearly surplus above C course of the war it appeared, that the sum for which that fund was first we had no foreign intelligence but granted.

what was communicated by the foreign Surely, Sir, when the civil lift Gazettes, and the young pretender revenue was first made distinct from was landed in Scotland before our the other branches of the publick minifters knew any thing of his de. service, and when a greater revenue sign or of his embarkation. With re. was settled upon his majesty than had D gard to this fort of secret service I ever been granted to any of his must therefore suppose, that great predecessors, a due regard was had æconomy has been of late made use to those acts of charity or generosity of; but there is another sort of which the dignity of the crown secret service, which I shall not might require, and among such acts name at present, and in this I must none can be more deserving than a suppose, that our ministers have been generous recompence to those who E a little extravagant, otherwise the have suffered by their loyalty. There. crown might easily have spared a fore, if the city of Glasgow has any sum sufficient for giving the relief title to relief, that relief ought to now proposed to the city of Glafcome from the civil lift revenue ;

gow. and if that revenue cannot spare to For this sort of extravagance, Sir, grant this relief, it must proceed the Hon. gentleman may perhaps from bad economy: The Hon. F answer to his own conscience, for gentleman who has now the ma- the consciences of ministers have in nagement of this revenue under his all ages been very easily satisfied ; care, has thrown down the gauntlet, but if there has been any such, and and seems to dare any man to take an impartial enquiry should be set on it up: Perhaps it may be taken up foot, I am sure he could not answer when he least expects it ; but let it for it to parliament. As I do not be taken up when it will, the de-G think it proper at present to propose mand now made upon the publick any such inquiry, I must thereiore for what ought to have been fatif- take for granted what the Hon. genfied out of the civil list, will be an ar. tleman has been pleased to allert, ticle against him. That revenue may tha: it is imposible for his inajesty

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to give relief to the city of Glasgow the island of Cape-Breton? Those out of the civil list revenue ; but petitions were, 'tis true, at first or. supposing this likewise to be true, dered to lie upon the table, but they we have ftill another method for were soon after referred directly to procuring relief to the corporation of the committee of supply, where the Glulgow, without adding a new sums respectively due to them were load upon the publick revenue of the A voted, and no farther notice was taken nation; and that is, by enabling the of them in any of our proceedings, till magistrates to raise upon the inhabi. they were appropriated to the respectants that money which was borrowed tive colonies in the appropriation to prevent their being plundered; clauses inserted in the sinking fund bill, for tho' it would have been of more which passed the other house without service to the government, to have any difficulty or objection. When forced the rebels themselves to have B we granted such a large sum in the raised this money by a tax upon the committee of supply, without any inhabitants, yet such a tax, tho' im- previous reference to a particular posed by the authority of parliament, committee, or any previous parliawill still be of service, because the mentary inquiry into accounts t.at inhabitants will reflect upon the ori. were so intricate, is it poflible to alginal cause of the tax, and this will sign a reason why we should not in confirm them in their hatred of the C the same way grant such a small sum late rebellion, and their abhorrence as this now moved for, and upon an of those principles which were the account which consists but of three occasion of it.

plain articles, no one of which can By this method, Sir, we fall do be contested or doubted ? Is it pofa singular piece of service to the go- sible for a gentleman of the most vernment, and we shall procure a luxuriant fancy to suggest a reason, fufficient relief for the corporation D why the other house should think of Glasgow, without doing injustice themselves imposed on by the meto, or raising discontents in any other thod now proposed, when they part of the nation ; but as this method made last year no objection to the cannot be resolved on, or any step same method pursued in an affair of made towards it, in a committee of much greater consequence ? fupply, I fhall therefore conclude I mult therefore suppose, Sir, that with seconding the motion made by £ gentlemen made use of this objection, the noble lord upon the floor, That because they were conscious of the the chairman do now leave the chair. weakness of all the other objections

they could invent against the motion The last that spoke in this dibate was now made to us; and I am the

Cn. Gavillius, Arm, who spoke in more convinced of this, the more Sæbstance as follows:

I consider the objections that have

Fbeen made; for they are chiefly Mr. Prefident,

founded upon a position laid down

as general, tho' it was never admit. Am surprised to hear the objection ted to be such either in theory or

to our method of proceeding in practice; or upon a fuppofition, that this affair, so much infilted on. Have There are several places in the king, gentlemen fo foon forgot, what was dom whose case is exactly parallel done but the very last feilion, in re. G to that of Glosgow, without inlation to the petitions from our ftancing so much as one that has the northern colonies, praying for a least retemblance. reimbursement of the expence they Sir, it is to far from being an estahad been at in taking and securing blimed maxim in this or any other





country, never to grant relief to time say, that none of the suffethose who have suffered, in any ex- rers met with any charitable relief traordinary manner, by a war, that from the crown, because the publick we have several late instances to the revenue was at neither of those contrary. The Dutch are now a- times so strictly appropriated by parbout granting relief to the people of liament as it is now.

But to come Bergen-op-zoom ; and when the Au. A nearer our own time, I must desire Atrian army invaded Alsace in the gentlemen to recollect, that during year 1744, the French king granted

the rebellion in the year 1715, leto the people of that province an

veral houses were burn'd or destroyed exemption from all taxes for a con- both in Scotland and at Preston in fiderable time, in order to indemnify England. What did the parliament them for what they suffered by chat do upon that occafion? They did invasion ; and this must be allowed B not propose to make good the loss to have been a very wise and political of every one that suffered by that restep in the court of France, because, bellion ; but as the loss by the deas that province is upon the con- struction of these houles was extrafines of Germany, and as the people ordinary, they resolved that it should must be supposed to have ftill some be made good to the proprietors. affection for the empire, to which The fund they appropriated for this they formerly belonged, it is neces- C purpose was, indeed, the produce sary for the French to treat them of the forfeited estates, becaufe, as with the utmost tenderness, not only several great and free estates had beto secure their fidelity, but to en. come forfeited both in England and courage the people of the neigh- Scotland, it was apparent, that this bouring provinces in the empire, fund would be sufficient, which is to wish for being brought under the far from being the case at present; dominion of France, which that D and as those estates had been granted ambitious court has been long aim- by the late king to the publick, it ing at. I mention this, Sir, be- is a proof, that, even here at home; cause we have a reason of much the the publick does sometimes think same nature, for treating the peo- itself obliged to make good a lofs ple of Glasgow with more than or- sustained by war, when that loss hapdinary tenderness, as mult be al- pens to be of an extraordinary nature, lowed by every one who considers E I could give many other instances, the situation of that city, and the Sir, efpecially from foreign hiltory, disaffection that ftill reigns in that where the publick has granted some country.

fort of relief to private persons or Now, Sir, with regard to the societies that have suffered extrapractice here at home, as we have ordinary losses by a war; but those the happiness to be fituated in an I have mentioned will fuffice to Thew, island, and have, I hope, always F that the maxim contended for is not fhall have a superior force at sea, general, and indeed it would be we can but rarely have an occasion cruel to establish such a general maxim to exercise our charity or generofity without any exception. Then as to towards those places that have fui- the supposition, that there are seve. tained any great loss by war. ral places whose case is exactly paral

The loss by the descent of the lel to that of Glasgoru, I need not Spaniards in queen Elizabeth's reign, G make any answer, because I am conor of the French in that of king vinced, there is no such place in the William, was so inconfiderable, that kingdom ; and as to the places that it was not worth the publick notice, have been mentioned in this debate, nor can any one at this diffance of it has been sewn by the gentlemen

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who spoke before on the same fide the rebels, upon the credit of the with me, that there is no sort of

corporation, and not leaving them resemblance ; consequently from this to raise it by force of arms upon the precedent we can apprehend no new inhabitants. I shall readily admit, demand upon the publick.

that the inhabitants, as the gentleman But the Hon. gentleman who said, would have raised the money {poke last, has set up a new doctrine: A rather than expose their houses to be He was pleased to say, Sir, that as plundered, and their city reduced to there was no invasion by any body ashes : Nay, I believe, rather than of foreign troops, all those places subject themselves to this, they would that suffered by the rebellion, deser- have raised the whole fum firit deved to suffer, because they did not manded; and if the rebel chiefs had defend themselves : It was lucky for Thewn as little regard to that city as him that the rebels did not come B some gentlemen now do in this near any place where he had a con- house, they would have insisted on cern ; for if they had, I believe he their first demand ; but by the adwould have taken care not to broach dress of the magistrates, and their any such doctrine, which is a doc. agreeing to raise the money, the trine no one will adopt who knows rebels were satisfied with a little the difference between the people of more than the third of their first a fruitful country, who think of no- C demand ; whereas, had the magisthing but industry, agriculture, and ma- trates obftinately refused to raise any nufactures, and the people of a bar


money apon the credit of the cor. ren, mountainous country, who think poration, and put them to the trouble of nothing but idleness, arms and mi

of raising it by force of arms upon litary exercises ; for against the lat. the inhabitants, how are we sure, ter, the former must always defend that they would not immediately have themselves by a regular standing D given a loose to their bandicti crew, army. But supposing this doctrine

and exposed the city to all manner were to be admitted, the city of of military execution ? The least Glasgow has a good plea, which no that could be expected, if they had place to the southward of it can lay been put to the trouble of raising claim to, I mean that of its being the money by force of arms, surprized by the rebels coming so

would have been, their raising a fuddenly and unexpectedly upon E great deal more than they at first them ; so that they had no time to demanded ; and how would they prepare or provide for their de.

have raised it? Certainly, by taxing fence, had they been capable to make those highest that had fewn the

greatest zeal for the government ; so This doctrine, therefore, may that our most faithtul friends would operate against giving relief to any have been the greatest sufferers ; and place south of Glosgow, but can F if there were any in that city who have no weight against our giving had ever shewn a warm side to the relief to that city, and consequently pretender's cause, they would have is an argument in favour of the been allowed to go scot-free. motion, because it shews, that what It is therefore evident, Sir, that we do in this case, can be no pre- the magistrates of Glasgow acted cedent for our doing the same in any the most prudent part, both for the other. This, Sir, the honourable G service of the government and the gentleman seemed to be fensible of, friends of the government; and that and therefore he gave us another even tho' they should hereafter be new doctrine, by attacking the pru- obliged to sue for an act of parliadence of the magiftrates of Glasgow, nient, to enable them to raise money in railing the money demanded by




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