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ple do not now expect, that even the will, I hope, be foon supplied by the miniilers of the gospel should become care of our bishops, and the chamartyrs, when they can avoid it by ritable contributions of our clergy' ; taking the oaths to the government: for I cannot comprehend how the On the contrary, the people will difficulties in obtaining ordination learn from them to look upon the come to be so great, as has been imposition of such oaths as a sort of A suggested by the learned gentleman persecution, and to take the same who spoke lait, confidering how oaths themselves, when required, many priests, or deacons, we have without altering or forsaking their

every year ordained. former principles, by which they I do not pretend, Sir, to be learn. will become more dangerous subjects ed in the canons or rules of the than they could have been, had they church, with respect to ordination ; never taken the oaths; for those B. but from the little I have read, and concealed Jacobites, who are ready heard upon this subject, I know to take all the oaths we can put to

that a title, such as a curacy, or the them, are of all others, the govern- like, may be easily obtained; because

; ment's most dangerous enemies. the person who gives such a title, is And tho we cannot altogether pre- not obliged to continue the person lie vent such ministers from exercising grants it to in possession, longer than their function privately, yet we shall C he pleases, and the bishop, within prevent their having such a powerful, whose diocese the title lies, may or such an extensive influence, as they thereupon ordain him, or grant him would have, were they to exercise letters dimiffory, in order to his being their functious in a free and open ordained by some other bishop. Then manner. Our preventing their pub- as to the testimonials of his good lick preaching will, therefore, be of life and conversation, there are so some service; and if we cannot ab. D many worthy and learned gentlemen Jutely prevent an evil, it is not, sure- of Scotland, now settled in the church ly, an argument against our doing all here, and so many other gentlemen

of that country always residing here, As I was, from my infancy, edu- that if the testimonial be subscribed cated in the principles of the church by any gentlemen of character in of England, ard still profess the same Scotland, they must be known to principles, I hope it will be pre. E some of the gentlemen of that counsumed, Sir, that I shall be ready to try residing here, who can, and will, concur in any measures for propa- upon a letter from the subscribers, gating those principles in Scotland, authenticate the testimonial to the as well as England, provided those bishop here, who is to ordain. And measures be such as are consistent tho', regularly, a deacon ought to with the articles of union, and of no continue one whole year in that dangcious consequence to the safety of F office, before he can be ordained our present happy establishment, upon priest, yet this the bishop may disthe preservation of which the very be- penfe with, and may ordain a man ingofour church depends. I am, there- priest but a few days after he has been fore, very sorry to hear it suggested, ordained deacon, the indispensable that there are fofew episcopal ministers canon being only, that no man in Scotland, except those who have Thall be ordained priest and deacon had their letters of orders from some G in one day ; so that a man, who of the nonjuring bishops there; and comes from Scotland for orders, needs that if we exclude these last, there not make above one journey, and his will be a great want of episcopal mi- expence, it is to be hoped, will be nifters in that country; but this want made up to him, by the charitable

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piscopal ministers now in Scotland, I cannot, therefore, think, Sir, are such as received their orders from there are such insuperable difficulties any of those bishops; and surely nei. in supplying very foon all the meet. ther the law nor the church will acing-houses in Scotland with episcopal knowledge those men to be bishops, ministers, regularly qualified, accord- À who have been elected since that ing to the late act, and such as have time by virtue of an authority, or been bred up, from their infancy, in Conge d'elire from the late king James, true principles of politicks, as well or present pretender; for that there as religion, and if any such difficul- are such pretended bishops, both in ties should appear, a remedy may England and Scotland, every one easily be contrived, by a new canon knows, tho' it be impossible to find confirmed by act of parliament in B such a proof of it, as may subject some future feflion.

them to a prosecution, or convictiGentlemen may perceive, Sir, that on. what I have hitherto said, has been But fuppofing, Sir, that there are in justification of the act passed two still in Scotland some episcopal miniyears ago, and upon a supposition sters, who were ordained by some of that, by the said act, all episcopal the outed bishops there, and suppoministers are excluded from the exer- C sing that they have, in pursuance of cise of their function in any meeting- the act of the roth of Q. Anne, in, house in Scotland, unless they be titled themselves to set up and officia such as have received their letters of ate in a meeting-house in that counorders from some bishop of the try; which, pray, is the greatest church of England, or of Ireland; wrong, to oblige them to take new and that this was the intention of orders from some bishop of the that law, appears so plainly, from D church of England, or Ireland, as the words of it, which I take to be a sign of their thorough conversion; the only way of determining what or to leave them to propagate rebelwas the intention, that I was supri. lion and fedition among his majesty's sed to hear of any doubt raised in fubjects, as from what has happened Scotland about the meaning, but it is probable, they have been doing much more to hear that doubt sup- for these 30 or 40 years past? I ported in this house. I shall admit, E know of no canon, or rule of the that if there were any doubt we church, that forbids a man's taking ought to chuse that meaning which orders a second time, even tho he does no wrong to any innocent man, be convinced, that the orders he at rather than that which does; but first received were regular, and valid, with me there is no doubt, and there. according to the rules of the church; fore I think the present clause unne- and if he refuses to give this sign of ceffary, tho’I shall nevertheless agree F his thorough conversion, the chuting to it for the sake of others, and be. up of his meeting house is no wrong, cause abundance of law can never but a punishment for his contumacy break the law; and supposing there which he highly deserves; whereas, were some ground for a doubt in this to allow him to continue in his for. case, I believe, we are debating mer practices, is a wrong done to about a shadow, or phantom, which our country, and to all his majesty's has no real existence ; for, as I am G honest and faithful subjects. informed, it is above 30 years since Thus, Sir, even according to the the last of those died, that were bi- rule of interpretation laid down by shops in Scotland at the time of the the Hon. and learned gentleman who revolution, confequently we can spoke laft, if there be any doubt,



as to the meaning of that law which the king and royal family, as by law was passed in 1746, that meaning directed, it is first supposed, that in ought to be put upon it, which it violation of the oaths they have tais proposed by this clause to explain ken, and in contempt of the prayers and enforce. And as to those epif- they daily and publickly put up to copal ministers, who had their orders their Maker, they have continued, from the pretended bishops chosen, as A and will continue to propagate and I have mentioned, since the revolu- inculcate the principles of Jacobitism: tion, I think, it is absolutely ne- Now this I must call a very unchari. cessary to oblige them to take new table supposition; and what is still orders from some bishop of the church worse, it is contrary to fact, accordof England, or Ireland, before they ing to the belt information I could be admitted to officiate in any meet- ever come at, and I have had an ing-house in Scotland, whether they be B opportunity to inquire, because I am such as have qualified by mistaking not only acquainted with several gen. the meaning of the late act, or such tlemen of Scotland, but have been in as may hereafter be willing to qua- that country; and therefore I am lify by taking the oaths, and praying afraid, that if any contrary informafor the king and royal family, as by tion has been received, it comes from law appointed. If they refuse to those who are enemies to the episget themselves thus a second time or- C copal religion in Scotland, and very dained, they must, I think, chufe

little acquainted with the behaviour fome other employment ; for no of the ministers of that religion. compaffion towards them thall ever The other supposition is, Sir, that induce me to consent to what I think no man will receive orders from a may be of dangerous consequence to nonjuring bifhop, unless it be such a our present happy establishment.

one as has, from his infancy, been

Deducated in the principles of JacobiThe lal Speech I fall give you in

tism. Now this supposition there this Debate, was that made by A.

would, I shall grant, be some ground Terentius Varro, the Subjlance af for, if those of the episcopal perwhich was as follows:

suasion in Scotland had any choice ; Mr. President,

but we all know, they have no choice.

A man who is of that religion in SIR,

E Scotland, and designs to be a mini"He present debate has con- ster of the gospel of Christ, must

tinued fo long, and so much necessarily receive orders froin a has been said upon the subject, that I nonjuring bilhop, because there are should have given you no trouble on none other in that country. I say, he this occasion, had I not obierved, must necessarily receive orders from that the whole of the argument, in such a bishop, unless he has money to favour of the clause now before us, F bear the expence of a journey or is founded upon two suppositions, one two to England, or Ireland, and of which I think extremely unchari- friends there to give him a uitle table, and the other entirely ground and a testimonial, which we cannot less. In order to lupport this regula- suppose any man has, who defigns tion, for excluding from the ofiice of to exercise his function in that counthe miniftry, all such cpiscopal mini- try, where he can expect no preter. fters in Scorland, as have received or. Gment, nor any maintainance but ders from any nonjuring bilhop, even what depends upon the generony tho' they have qualihed, or are wil- and good will of his hearers, which ling to quality, by taking the oaths they may diminish, or wholly withto the government, and praying for draw, whenever they please ; for this




· reason, if any man of 'family, or ons; and from charity, as well as exfortune, in that country, be design- 'perience, I must suppose, that no ed for a clergyman of the church episcopal minister, tho' ord..ired by of England, he is fent up to one of a nonjuring bishop, who has lately our universities here, and as soon taken the oaths, or who may h teafter as he has got orders, he generally, be willing to take the oaths; I say, I by his learning and capacity, recom- A must from both these motives suppose, mends himself to some preserment that no such minifter will afterwards in the church in this kingdom. endeavour to propagate such princi

For these reasons I must think, ples; therefore, instead of rendering Sir, there is not the least ground for it impossible, or very difficult for them this supposition. On the contrary, as to reap any benefit from taking the there is nothing in the ceremony of oaths, I think, we should invite them ordination, no oaths to be taken, B by all the methods we can contrive. nor promises made, but what may I shall admit, Sir, that for a genbe taken and made by a man per- tleman born in England, who of fectly well affected to our present course has' many friends, and many happy establishment, and as I have clergymen of his acquaintance here, been credibly informed, that the it is no difficult matter to procure a nonjuring bishops in Scotland have title for ordination ; but for a man added nothing to this ceremony, Cof low birth, and born in the north I think, I have good reason to sup- of Scotland, without any friend, pose, that the nonjuring bishops in without any gentleman or clergyman Scotland have ordained several per- of his acquaintance in England, espefons, who were bred up in principles cially in thole dioceses that border agreeable to our prelent constitution, upon Scotland, can we suppose it and who were ready to take the oaths easy for him to procure a title? This to the government, as soon as it D he cannot be afsured of before he should become necessary; for no sets out, and if he should fail in obman ought, I think, to take an oath, taining one, or should be refused or. not even the oaths to the government, dination, on account of his not being till it becomes receffary for him to duly qualified, he must return home do so.

again re infitta. Under such uncerI am therefore, Sir, fo far from

tainties can we suppose, that any joining in either of these suppositions, E poor man will ever undertake such that I am persuaded no episcopal a long such an expensive journey? minister in Scotland, who has taken Therefore, if the clause in the former the oaths to the government, ever act be explained, as intended, by propagated any rebellious or feditious that now under consideration, I fail doctrines; on the contrary, I am con- look upon it as contrived and pro. vinced, that both the late rebellions moted by the presbyterians in Scotin Scotland were, in a great mealure, É land, not with a design to secure, but owing to their having so few such to endanger our present happy estamen among them, which reduced blishment, by leaving the episcopal the episcopal party there to the ne- party in Scotland, ilill under the inceflity of having divine service per- fluence of nonjuring clergymen, and formed by nonjuring clergymen, who bringing upon his majelly's reign, took all opportunities to propagate the odium of having paffed an act, the principles of paliive-obedience, G to abolith the remains of episcopacy non-relistence, and the indefeasible in that kingdom. hereditary right of kings, among the How the succession of bisbops has people of their respective congregati- been preserved, or whether it has


been preserved, since the revolution, ty, who have the general good of in Scotland, is what I do not pretend their country chiefly in view. to be acquainted with. If it has The Hon. gentleman who spoke been preserved by a correspondence laft, was fo sensible of this, Sir, that with, or an authority from the late he was willing to admit such men, K. James, it is certain, the established provided they gave a new fign of church here cannot acknowledge any A their thorough conversion, by takbishops that have been chosen by ing orders a second time, which, he such an authority. But if without supposed, they might do; and inany such authority, the order of deed I do not at present recollect bishops has heen regularly continued any canon or rule of the church a. in Scotland, ever since the revolution, gainst

it. Like parricide among the according to the methods observed old Romans, the thing is so new, among the primitive christians, whe- B that, I believe, there is no express ther such bishops may be acknow- canon against it; but it is making ledged by the church here, is a ques

so free with the sacred institution of tion that deserves such a serious con- ordination, that I should not chule fideration, that I shall not, at present, to be the person that received, or presume to deliver my opinion; but the person that conferred holy orI am very sure, that such a question ders a second time ; and can any ought not, in the first instance, to be C one suppose, that a man, who, in determined by parliament ; and to violation of his oaths to the governenact, that no person ordained by ment, should continue to promote fuch a bishop shall be allowed to ex- the cause of the pretender, would cercise his function in Scotland, not- have any greater regard for the fewithstanding his qualifying himself cond orders he had received? for that purpose according to law, In short, Sir, I think we have looks so like a parliamentary deter. Dgone too far, already, in enacting, mination of this question before it has That no letters of orders granted af. been considered by the church; that ter Sept. 1, 1746, shall be fufficient to I cannot give my consent to the pass- intitle any episcopal minister to keep ing of such a law, because I cannot a meetiag- house in Scotland; and that convince myself, of its being no in- this was the utmost that was intendcroachment upon the rights of the ed by the law made that year, I am as church.

E little in doubt about, as the Hon. genBesides, Sir, if ordination, by a tleman seems to be about the contrary bilhop in Scotland, be such a one as opinion; therefore I must look upon ought to be approved by the church, the clause now before us, not as an I can see no political reason why it explanation, but as an extension of a ought not to be approved of by the former law, and as an extension too state. To suppose that every man, of a law that ought never to have fo ordained, must be such a one as F been made. By that law, even in has been bred up in the principles of the sense I put upon it, you will Jacobitism, is a supposition that I make it very difficult to supply the have shewn to be groundless

, and if episcopal church in Scorland, with there were ground for it, it is neither ministers qualified according to law; christian nor prudent to shut the door but by this clause you will render the against every such man's conversi- thing impoffible, at least for half a

Such a maxim looks more like G century to come; during all which that of a faction, who are resolved time the people of that persuasion to monopolize all the powers and in Scotland will be left a prey to profits of government to those of nonjuring clergymen, and popish their faction, than like that of a par: prielis; and as the latter have a 5




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