Mr. BLANKENHORN. I would be glad to do so, but may I ask whether you wish me to do this as well. A great deal of this correspondence with unions was while I was with the staff of the La Follette committee. My files dealing with that are almost entirely with the committee. Mr. TOLAND. But we are separating the La Follette material from Board material, which you did at the same time. In other words, isn't it a fact that even though you were assigned and were working with the La Follette committee, you also did things for the Board? Mr. BLANKENHORN. Oh, yes. Mr. TOLAND. And you also went to the Board offices. Mr. BLANKENHORN. Oh, yes. Mr. TOLAND. You had an office at the Board. Mr. BLANKENHORN. That is right. Mr. TOLAND. Your files that we have were located within an office at the Board. Mr. BLANKENHORN. That is correct. Mr. TOLAND. Mr. Chairman, do you want to continue? The CHAIRMAN. We would like to recess now. Mr. MURDOCK. I would like to ask one question before we recess. All these exhibits, Mr. Blankenhorn, that you have been talking about, and the others, such as the one to George Soule and to John L. Lewis, and a number of others, were they called to the attention of the Board? Mr. BLANKENHORN. Oh, no. Mr. TOLAND. Were they offered to the Board for its approval? Mr. BLANKENHORN. Not at all. Mr. TOLAND. They knew nothing about the letters? Mr. BLANKENHORN. They knew nothing. Mr. ROUTZOHN. I presume the witness is coming back tomorrow. Mr. TOLAND. Oh, ves. The CHAIRMAN. We will take an adjournment until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. (Whereupon, at 1: 10 p. m., a recess was taken until Tuesday morning, April 30, 1940, at 10 o'clock.) APPENDIX EXHIBIT No. 1111 9. Resp got Andy Wright & Dillon jobs at Ampthill. Resp got other men empl. at Ampt & elsewhere. 10. Phone call. When did the men get jobs at Ampthill (ESS). 11. Deposition of Cannon denied. 12. Bell mentioned names of unproduceables only. 13. Anderson (on the Dillon Hussey) as to denying to Hussey (this was after Andy was out already). 14. Bell-no men laid off-all C. I. O. Resp produced 3 who were not C. I. O. 1 hearsay. EXHIBIT No. 1112 RESPONDENT'S CASE @ 866 (9/3) FRANK SMOOT BEAZLIE re ANDERSON WRIGHT, 8 (3) (866) Is asst foreman in electrical dept. Knows Wright, Anderson, & Bell. Had nothing to do with discharges except he notified Anderson & Wright at Rutter's request, (the foreman). Didn't know they were C. I. O. or whether they'd done union activities. Never had any instructions from his superiors re C. I. O. CROSS (868) Was ass't foreman. The men were under the quartermen. Anderson & Wright were good workmen & had some seniority. Admits probability that some with less seniority still there. Rutter did the selecting. Believes W. & A. were the only two that day. Himself, knew a few days before Admits he let them come in although he knew they were going to June 1. be laid off. Direct for intervenor is baloney. W. Exc. 876. (879) See STANLEY S. EVANS. EXHIBIT NO. 1113 RESPONDENT'S CASE @ 879 (9/3) STANLEY S. EVANS RE BELL (8 (3)) (879) Is ass't foreman in electrical dept. Knows Bell, Anderson, Wright. Knew nothing of their union activities. Had been told that Bell belonged to C. I. O. Quarterman Sheldon told him-just happened to mention it, but Evans did not report it to Rutter. (881) Had nothing directly to do with the layoffs. It was Rutter who selected Bell. Admits saying "It came from higher up." He meant Rutter. (883) CROSS (883) Bell was the one under Evans. He was good. He was one of four first class men-and the only one laid off. Thinks the others had more seniority. Bell was an hourly man. Bell was the only man on special ratethe highest the Co. could give. (886) Bell was on a job which isn't finished yet. (887) Evans expressed regret to Bell. (889) Does not recall dispute between quartermen Sheldon & Smith for Bell's services. Denies rest of laying off conversation with Bell. Twelve laid off same day. (891) Got Bell from Beazlie for gun turret work but plans are short. (892) Evans talked to Rutter about transferring Bell back to the other job but Rutter said men there to be laid off too. (893) Does not know Bell's comparative seniority, nor does he know whether Bell was kept on during other slack times. (894) Does say he was faithful worker giving no trouble whatsoever. (895) Knew nothing of C. I. O. except what he read in the papers. Discussed C. I. O. with other supers & decided hands off-also discussed with quartermen. Direct for intervenor is baloney. W. Exc. (897). EXHIBIT NO. 1114 RESPONDENT'S CASE @ 898 (9/3) C. M. RUTTER, JR., RE BELL, ANDERSON, WRIGHT 8 (3) (898) is foreman of electrical dept. Admits Anderson's installation on enterprise may have had 5-6 weeks to go. Denies Morgan Brown completed the job. (899) Admits Wright was laid off from gunfire control. Admits it was piecework job. (900) Many men may work on a piece work job which is a bonus proposition. Nothing unusual in an individual layoff from piecework. Mugler completed it satisfactorily. (903) Did not know, when Bell was laid off whether the 10 or 12 others were C. I. O.. (903) Bell, at time of layoff was on a lay-off job on the Boise. Got there as per Evans testimony, because he wanted to do turret work. (904) But as plans didn't come in, he was shifted to a job with Baumeister who is still on it. Turret work still not done. Would have put Bell on it. (905) Rutter selected Bell, Anderson, & Wright for layoff without any knowl edge as to C. I. O. or any other activities, considered them able, and would have kept them if there had been work. (906) Evans, Sheldon, Rhinesmith never said any of them were C. I. O. or active. (906) Rhinesmith never told of conversation with Bell. Had 800 (907) RX 5 goes in being statistics of layoffs, etc., in electrical dept. (908) Bulk of electrical work on Yorktown was done by April 1. men & had to reduce--on 3/1-had 790; on 9/2 had 391. (909) Explains selection of 3 men by fact he had men as good if not better. (910) Dept. is mostly younger men-electricity is new. With respect to each of the three men, he asked for them back. Has never been instructed to consider union & has never done so. (912) Quarterman Cannon is in the hospital. Doctor's certificate in ev. as [RX 7] @ 966. CROSS (933) He would still take Anderson & Wright, but not Bell because of conduct at the hearing. (1) Tel. call to Ampbill. (2) Whether he'd talked to anyone during recess. So he wouldn't take Bell. (934) He recommended the men for absolute release. Big distinction between furlough & release. Very few being furloughed at time these men were laid off. (938) 3 base hit n. g. (P. 939) very good see T. E. report-each good, others with less seniority, skill !! (P. 939-942) Wright was a lead man so he could work 48 hrs.-but he wasn't really a supervisor. (945) Witness assumed Wright wouldn't have taken a cut. (946) Mugler worked yrs. & yrs. ago. Been back 1 yr. or 15 mos. The job just recently finished. (948) Admits Wright's a young man. as good." "I had other men I thought were just (949) Used to read Shipyard Worker. One copy had his name in it-but never discussed it. (953) Never knew before this hearing that men in his dept. were signing up with the C. I. O. Direct for intervenor is baloney. W. Exc. (954). EXHIBIT No. 1115 RESPONDENT'S CASE (9/7) EDWARD J. ROBESON-CONT'D. OMNIBUS CROSS CONTD. (1020) Denies a lot of things re Rayfield. (1024) Inquiries as to phone call were limited to pers. dept. Did not inquire of other dept. heads. (1024) Has an arrangement-sends men to Amphill. (1025) Correspondents by telegram. (1026) Adams sends the telegrams-Adams denied the phone call. (1027) Admits possibility of call. (1029) All 5 were laid off as dist. from disch. or furlough. (1030) Unable to reinstate at Schauffler's request-A. F. L. would be sore. To 1041-general. (1041) Nothing by respondent. REDIRECT INTERVENOR (1045) No labor dispute in 22 yrs. Is mgmt. rep. of E. R. P., selection of employee reps. is unhampered; knows of no discrim. against any representative; believes many in yard are affiliated with unions-no interference. CROSS (1047) Is still mgmt. representative, still gets the minutes. (1051) No labor dispute. W. Exc. (1051). REDIRECT EXHIBIT No. 1116 INTERVENFR'S CASE @ 1244 (918) CLAUDE CARTER Is in welding dept. Is rep.; been for 4 yrs. with one 1247 Been N. N. 23 yrs. year's interruption. Nothing. (1252) HERBERT TIGHE 1252 Is pattern maker in pattern dept. Is member of Pattern Makers League (Ass'n) of N. A. Co. has dealt with objection. Pattern makers joined plan. Dropped out. Came back in '32. Are affil, with A. F. L. Intervenors case. W. Exc. 1259. EXHIBIT NO. 1128 Dunbar HARRY LAWRENCE CARROLL 433 Since 1925 at Dunbar, is now a gatherer. Is 42 yrs. old. 434. Had conv. w. Saunders in July or Summer. Asked how long it was going to be open as he would buy lumber. Saunders said go ahead-operate as long as CIO let us. 435 4-5 yrs. ago refused Brownlows request to work over. Never explained, was never questioned or penalized. 437 CROSS 438 Points out it would have been 16 hrs. 438 The conversation was started by Carroll. Doesn't know Saunders ever to have started such a conversation. Nuts. 503 Nichols said nothing when Casto the first time reported Mains wouldn't work and shortly Cater asked him to get Dodo. Baloney. 516 REDIRECT Next day Saunders asked Casto about it--but said nothing. EXHIBIT NO. 1130 597 Very usual for CO & C1s to work out of turn. 598 Yellow sheet of men working on more than one shop in period [of] 4/10. Left Hand Helpers none. Feeders none. Shanahan worked 3 shops. D Simonds worked 5. Some are extras and some are regulars. In Ev [R 1] 601. In Ev [R 2] 602 (same for period ending 4/24). 603 Important refusal of Co & C1 boys to work after a 24 hr. rest period would lose all discipline and loss of production & efficiency. Baloney. 603 Didn't know Ranson wd be ok on Wed until he saw him at work. 604 Had no complaints of activities of H. P. Mains prior to 6/23. 604 As to Sprad, some employees had complained he had used threats to them during working hours. When RC claimed Spradling was threatening employees during working hours "I asked Basil to leave them alone and to cease his activities in the plant." EXHIBIT No. 1131 Dunbar FESSIE ELBERT RANSON 313 Not penalized for absence. 313 Was AFL in 34-then dropped out. 315 One afternoon, abt 1 mo before the firings came to the 4 PM a little early. So he said to Saunders have you joined CIO yet & Saunders said no & Randon said me neither, I dont believe in it—but I was not going to do anything against them. This is stupid. Forget it. MACH. HULING SPRADLING 320 Is Basils brother. Been Dunbar 17 yrs-sets machines, sets up wares, trays to the cutters, labor work. 320 Saunders sent for him first week in May. Said "I understand that you are quite interested in an organization or union." Yes. "Why do you want a union here"-answer "It aint worth a damn to none of us." He said remember |