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LIST OF THE MEMBERS.
MAINE–John Holmes, Peleg Sprague. -
Calhoun. GEORGIA—George M. Troup, John Forsyth. KENTUCKY—George M. Bibb, Henry Clay. TENNESSEE-Hugh L. White, Felix Grundy. 0H10—Thomas Ewing, Benjamin Ruggles. LOUISIANA-Josiah S. Johnston, George A.Waggaman. INDIANA-—William Hendricks, John Tipton. MISSISSIPPi—George Poindexter, John Black. ILLINOIS–Elias K. Kane, John M. Robinson. ALABAMA--William R. King, Gabriel Moore. MISSOURI-—Thomas H. Benton, Alexander Buckner.
Mox DAY, DEcEMBER 3, 1832.
At 12 o'clock, the Senate was called to order by the Secretary, Mr. LowRIE, (the Vice PRESIDENT being absent, and the President pro tempore, Mr. TAZEWELL, having resigned his seat in the Senate,) and thirty-two members appearing in their seats, and there being a quorum, Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, moved to proceed to the election of President pro tempore, which was agreed to.
Mr. POINDEXTER said he understood it was the intention of some of his friends to bestow their suffrages on him for President pro tempore. He desired to state, in advance, that his duties as Senator of the people of Mississippi would require his particular attention on the floor
Petoed Bill.—Standing Committees.
[DEcEMBER 10, 1832.
“No person, who has been so long a member of this body, could have been selected, who has made the rules of its proceedings less an object of his study. This circumstance will make my errors more numerous than might be anticipated, and will throw me oftener on the kind indulgence of the Senate.
“whatever my errors may be, I have the consolation of
knowing that they can be revised and corrected at the instance of any member; and I beg every one to believe, that so far from feeling hurt at the correctness of my decisions being questioned, it will be matter of gratification, that the sense of the Senate may be taken, in every instance, when it may be supposed I am mistaken.
“Whatever industry and attention can do towards removing defects in qualifications, I promise shall be done; and I shall take the chair, determined that, in anxious desire to do that which is just towards every member, and that which will most promote the correct discharge of the important business we may have to perform, I will not be exceeded by any who have preceded me.”
On motion, it was ordered that messages communicating the election of Mr. White as President pro tempore, be sent to the House of Representatives, and to the President of the United States.
The following message was received from the President
of the United States: WAsn1 Noto N, 1) Eck M H Eit 6, 1832.
To the Senate of the United States:
I avail myself of this early opportunity to return to the Senate, in which it originated, the bill entitled “An act providing for the final sctlement of the claims of States for interest on advances to the United States, made during the last war,” with the reasons which induced me to withhold my approbation, in consequence of which it has failed to become a law.
This bill was presented to me for my signature on the last day of your session, and when I was compelled to consider a variety of other bills of greater urgency to the public service. It obviously embraced a principle in the allowance of interest different from that which had been sanctioned by the practice of the accounting officers, or by the previous legislation of Congress, in regard to advances by the States, and without any apparent grounds for the change.
Previously to giving my sanction to so great an extension of the practice of allowing interest upon accounts
with the Government, and which, in its consequences, and from analogy, might not only call for large payments from the Treasury, but disturb the great mass of individual accounts long since finally settled, I deemed it my duty to make a more thorough investigation of the subject than it was possible for me to do previously to the close of your last session. I adopted this course the more readily, from the consideration that as the bill contained no appropriation, the States which would have been entitled to claim its benefits could not have received them without the fuller legislation of Congress. The principle which this bill authorizes, varies not only from the practice uniformly adopted by many of the accounting officers in the case of individual accounts, and in those of the States finally settled and closed previously to your last session, but also from that pursued under the act of your last session for the adjustment and settlement of the claims of the State of South Carolina. This last act prescribed no particular mode for the allowance of interest, which, therefore, in conformity with the directions of Congress in previous cases, and with the uniform practice of the Auditor by whom the account was settled, was computed on the sums expendcd by the State of South Carolina for the use and benefit of the United States, and which had been repaid to the State, and the payments made by the United States were deducted from the principal sums, exclusive of the interest; thereby stopping future interest on so much of the principal as had been reimbursed by the payment. I deem it proper, moreover, to observe, that both under the act of the 5th of August, 1790, and that of the 12th of February, 1793, authorizing the settlement of the accounts between the United States and the individual States, arising out of the war of the Revolution, the interest on these accounts was computed in conformity with the practice already adverted to, and from which the bill now returned is a departure. With these reasons and considerations, I return the bill to the Senate. ANDREW JACKSON. December 6, 1832. The Message was laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. Adjourned to Monday.
Mox DAY, DEcEM BER 10.
The PRESIDENT announced to the Senate the appointment of the following standing committees for the St’ssion: ON Fon eign RELATIoss.--Messrs. Forsyth, King, Bell, Mangum, and Tomlinson. ON FINANCE--Messrs. Smith, Tyler, Silsbee, Johnston, and Forsyth. ON CoMMEack—Messrs. King, Dudley, Silsbee, Johnston, and Bibb. QN MANufactures--Messrs. Dickerson, Clay, Knight, Miller, and Seymour. ON AGR1culture—Messrs. Seymour, Brown, Robinson, Waggaman, and Foot. ON Militany AFFAins--Messrs. Benton, Troup, Kane, Clayton, and Tipton. ON the MILITIA——Messrs. Robinson, Clayton, Waggaman, Clay, and Hendricks. ON NAvAl Arrains—Messrs. Dallas, Smith, Robbins, Webster, and Bibb. QN Public LANns—Messrs. Kane, Tipton, Moore, Holmes, and Prentiss. ON PRIvate LAN n CLAIMs—Messrs. Poindextcr, Naudain, Prentiss, Ruggles, and Knight. ON INniaN Afrains—Messrs. Troup, Benton, Poindexter, Wilkins, and Frelinghuysen. w QN CLAIMs–Messrs. Ruggles, Bell, Naudain, Brown,
ON THE Junici Aur–Messrs. Wilkins, Webster, Fre-lain; and on the fourth balloting the following was the
linghuysen, Grundy, and Mangum. 0x the Post office Axin Post Roads—Messrs. Grundy, Hill, Ewing, Tomlinson, and Buckner. Ox Roans Asn CANALs–Messrs. Hendricks, Sprague, Dallas, Hill, and Buckner. ON PENsions—Messrs. Foot, Chambers, Dickerson, Sprague, and Poindexter. Ox rue District of Colu Mbi A–Messrs. Chambers, Tyler, Holmes, Clayton, and Miller. ON THE CostiNGENT FUNu-Messrs. Knight, Dudley, and Tomlinson. Ox and Ewing. After distributing the various subjects of the President's Message to the appropriate committees, and disposing of some minor business, adjourned.
Tursday, Decembkn 11. PUBLIC LANDS.
Mr. CLAY rose and said, it would be recollected that during the last session a bill had passed the Senate, which originated in the Committee on Manufactures, to appropriate, for a limited time, the proceeds arising from the sales of public lands. At a very late period of the session this bill was sent to the other House; and owing, probably, to that circumstance, and probably to some other causes, the bill had not been definitively acted on by that House. Iłather, he would say, there had been no express decision of the House for or against the bill. It was indefinitely postponed. He was desirous of again obtaining the sense of the Senate on-this question, and, should it be in accordance with the vote of the last sesson, to afford the other House the opportunity of a more full examination and discussion of the bill.
He therefore gave notice that he would, to-morrow, ask leave to introduce a bill to appropriate for a limited time the proceeds of the Public Lands.
Examoss Ed Bills--Messrs. Robbins, Robinson, |
Mr. WILKINS, pursuant to notice, asked and obtained leave to introduce a bill to provide for the satisfaction of claims due to certain American citizens for spoliations committed by France on their commerce, prior to the 30th September, 1800. The bill was then read twice, and on motion of Mr. WILKINS, ordered to be referred to a select committee of five members. Mr. WILKINS said that previous to the balloting for the committee, he wished to remark that, as it was probable the usual courtesy of the Senate in appointing the mover to be on the committee, might be extended to him in this case, he wished it to be understood that he did not desire to be on the committee. He would rather that, in his room, some gentleman might be appointed who was more conversant with commercial buisiness. He desired, however, that it might be understood that he had in no way changed his original opinions on the subject of these claims. The PRESIDENT replied that he believed it was the duty of the Chair to appoint the committee. Mr. WILKINS. Then I wish the Chair to consider my remarks as addressed to himself. Mr. SMITH. I do not think it very proper to appoint commercial gentlemen on this committee. They might be interested in the result. The conversation here ceased. [The following members were appointed by the Chair to compose the committee: Messrs. Wristen, Chaxhens, Dunler, BuowN, Tylka.]
ELECTION OF CHAPLAIN. The Senate then proceeded to the election of a Chap
So that the Rev. Mr. Pisk was declared to be elected. [He received nineteen votes on the first ballot.]
After the consideration of Executive business, Adjourned.
WEnx Esnay, Drck MBER 12. PUBLIC LANDS.
Mr. CLAY, agreeably to notice, asked and obtained leave to introduce a bill to appropriate, for a limited time, the proceeds of the sales of the public lands in the United States and for granting lands to certain States. The bill having been read twice, and being before the Senate, as in Committee of the whole. Mr. CLAY said that this bill had been before two committees of the Senate, and that it had been passed at the last session by a considerable majority. He thought, therefore, that there would be no necessity for its reference to any committee at this session. The bill was precisely the same as the one which had passed the Senate last year, with the exception of the necessary change in the time when the bill would take effect. ..., it was the wish of any Senator that the bill should be referred he had no objection. He would prefer to have the bill made the order for some convenient but not very distant day, when it might be taken up and discussed. If agreeable to the Senate, he would say the fourth Monday in this month, or the first Monday in January. IIe did not see that it was necessary to send the bill to a committee, but if any gentleman wished that course to be taken, he repeated, he should not object to it. Mr. KANE said that it would be recollected that this subject had recently been referred to the Committee on the Public Lands, by the reference to that committee of so much of the President's message as relates to the public lands. An important proposition, indeed a new one, had come from the Executive on the subject of the public lands generally. That proposition was now before the committee; and he hoped that the gentlemen from Kentucky would consent to a reference of his bill to the same committee. Mr. K. concluded by moving this reserence. ~-The motion was agreed to, and the bill was referred to the Committee on thc Public Lands. `-INTEREST TO STATES. Mr. CHAMBERS asked and obtaincol leave to introduce a bill providing for the final settlements of the claims of States for interest on advances made to the U. States during the late war. The bill was read, and ordered to a second reading. After notices for various bills, and receiving sundry resolutions, adjourned.
Thumsn AY, DEcEM n ER 13.
Mr. SMITH, instructed by the Committee on Finance, offered the following resolution:
Resolved, That the Secretary of the Treasury be di. rected, with as little delay as may be, to furnish the Sen. ate with the projet of a bill for reducing the duties levied upon imports, in conformity with the suggestions made by him in his annual report.
This resolution lies on the table one day.
A joint resolution offered by Mr. SMITH, to provide for printing the annual statements of commerce and navigation was then taken up.
Mr. SMITH briefly stated the reasons which had induced him to offer this resolution. Referring to the act which directs the Secretary of the Treasury to report these statements anually to Congress in the first, meaning, perhaps, the first Monday of December, or as soon after as possible—he complained that the document did not very frequently find its way to the members until the session had terminated, and they had returned to their homes. He did not get his last statement until the end of October or the beginning of November. He referred to the great but unsuccessful exertions which had been made by the Secretary to obtain the statements, at an earlier period, from the officers who had to prepare the details. The Secre
tary hoped to send in the next statement, by the 1st of
February; and after that time, it would be long before it could be printed, and presented to the members. The object of his resolution was to give authority to the Secretary to have the document printed so that it might be printed, sheet by sheet, as the matter was furnished from the Department, and under the supervision of the Treasury. . The difficulty arose out of the impossibility of getting the reports of the various officers in proper time. The Secretary complained that he could not get them in time; unless some penalty could be inflicted for neglect and delay, he did not see how the officers could be coerced into greater diligence. Mr. HOLMES admitted that there was ground for complaint as to the delay in furnishing these annual statements. It often happened that they were not received until long after the termination of the session; perhaps not before May or June, instead of early in January. The report has to be delivered to the Secretary of the Senate, and afterwards to be printed. The adoption of this resolution would lead to the printing of the statements beforehand, but the evil would not thereby be remedied. The report of the Secretary of the Treasury gives the returns up to the 30th of September, and he saw no reason why the report should not be made before the 1st of January. It was said that there was no penal sanction to the law, and that the officers could delay their returns without incurring any penalty. It is so; but he should suppose that neglect could be prevented; that if the Secretary could not remove an offender, he could report his neglect to the President. . He thought the subject should be further considered, and with this view, he moved to lay the resolution on the table. The moti.
When the doors were re-opened, a motion had been
garded the calling for a bill as derogatory to the character of the Senate. Mr. TYLER regretted that on a mere motion to reconsider the order for adjournment, the merits of the resolution should be brought up for discussion. Notwithstanding what had fallen from the Senator from Mississippi, however, he should still calculate on inaving his vote in favor of the resolution. He reminded that gentleman that the existing law required of the Secretary of the Treasury to communicate to Congress all the information concerning, the finances of the country. In obedience to this law, the Secretary had stated that there might be a reduction in the revenue to the amount of six millions. This was the broad proposition of the Secretary. Was not the Senate justified then in calling upon the Secretary to state in what manner this reduction could be effected? Are we not to call on him to furnish a bill of particulars which we may make the basis of our legislation? The resolution did no more than call on him for such bill of particulars. He considered that the objection of the gentleman from Mississippi would apply with great force to any other of the Departments; but for the reasons he had stated, he did not think it applicable to the Treasury. He expressed his hope that the Senate would reconsider, the motion to adjourn. Mr. MANGUM said a few words against the motion to reconsider, and against the resolution itself. Unlearned as he was in these matters, and untutored in the precise course which had been customary, he was not disposed to call on any body but the regular committees of that body for the draught of a bill. The Secretary, it was true, was required to furnish all information concerning his Department, and he could see no impropriety in his furnishing the Senate with details; but he would prefer that the com. mittees should examine the facts, and if they agreed with the Secretary as to the main points, it was for them to go to him for such details as they might require: as a matter concerning the dignity of the Senate, he should feel himself called on to oppose the course which was now suggested. He would not call on any branch of the Government for the projet of a bill. The question was then taken on the motion to reconsider; which was decided in the negative—ayes 17, noes 18. And the Senate adjourned to Monday.
Mox DAY, DEcEM B En 17.
Mr. POINDEXTER offered the following resolution: Resolved, That the Secretary of the Treasury be direct
ed to report to the Senate, with as little delay as practicable, ađetailed statement of the articles of foreign growth or manufacture, on which, in his opinion, the present rate of duties ought to be reduced, specifying particularly the amount of reduction on each article separately, so as to produce the result of an aggregate reduction of the revenue six millions of dollars, on such manufactures as are classed under the general denomination of protected articles; and that he also append to such report an enumeration of articles deemed to be “essential to our national independence in time of war,” and which therefore ought, in his opinion, to be exempted from the operation of the proposed reduction of duties.
On motion of Mr. POINDEXTER, the resolution was ordered to be printed.
On motion of Mr. SMITH, the Senate proceeded to the consideration of the joint resolution offered by him relative to the printing of the annual statement of commerce and navigation.
Mr. HOLMES remarked, that he had no intention of opposing, nor did he intend to propose amending the resolution. He would suggest, however, to the mover to avoid the supposition that the intention was to take this portion of the public printing from the public printer,