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of to whoever intrusted, was lia. addresses; and they would at ble to abuse. But they denied length become so numerous and that to be the case in the present perplexed, that they never could instance. There was nothing that be able to see their way through diftinguished the removals in ques. . them. He seemed, however, not tion, from a fucceflive Aream of much better satisfied with respect precedents, flowing down, from to the right, than to the expe. the revolution to the present day, dience and propriety, of parlia. through times which were deemed ment at all interfering in such. the most favourable to liberty, matters as touched upon the royal The cwo noble lords, they said, prerogative. held their offices merely through The learned lord likewise callthe favour of the crown, and ed for the evidence to support could therefore have no right to the charge. No manner of proof, complain when it was withdrawn; he said, had been laid before their they suffered no injury, for they lord'hips, nor had any attenipt even loft nothing which they could call been made to prove, that the diftheir own. Was this then suffi- miffion of the noble marquis, or cient ground for a motion, which of the noble earl, proceeded from went to annihilate one of the first any vote they had given in that and the most neceffary preroga. house; confequently, till some cives of the crown, that of choof- fact was stated, or proof made, ing its own servants ?

it could r.ot be decent to ap. A great law lord endeavoured proach the throne on the subject; with his usual ability to thew, but would on the contrary, in the various inconveniences and his opinion, be highly improper, mischiefs which muft arise, from and even disrespectful. its being once established as a The lords in opposition ac. principle of acting, that the royal knowledged in the clearest terms, will was subject to parliamentary that the unlimited, unrestrained controul and examination, upon discretion of che crown, in a every exercise, which prudence choice of persons to fill the offices and reason might dictate, of those of the state, was an inherent, in. powers which the constitution had disputable prerogative, vested in vested in the crown, of promot- it for the best and wiselt puring or removing its own officers. poses ; but it was a prerogative or He contended, that it would not right, the exercise of which, as only be subversive of the royal well as of every other power or prerogative, deitructive of all right the crown enjoyed, was subpablic service, order, and subor- ject to the controul and animad. dination, and personally degrad. verfion of parliament. It was, ing to the sovereign, but that like them, exercised by counsel it would involve parliament itself and advice; and if improperly in continual and incxtricable dif. exercised, as in other instances, facelties. If such a piecedent subjected the advisers to enquiry ; was once ettablihed, the whole and if it appeared upon that en: time of the house would be taken quiry, that the cause was not op with complaints, appeals, and such as to justify the advice, sub

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jeated them to censure, to remo. of having filk gowns, and the val, or to punishment. This was dignities of the church, conferwhat was meant by a discretio. red upon men every way unfitted, nary power being vested in the by habit, education, or learning, crown; it was neither more nor for such stations ; men totally igless. There was an unfound dif- norant both of law and of gofcretion, as well as a sound dif- pel? cretion; in its proper sense, it. On this occafion, the Marquis meant no more than a power or a- of Rockingham entered 'as deeply bility to act, which was after into the abuses relative to the misubject to the controul and dif- litia, as the military lords did cussion of parliament. But when into those of the army. He en. ever that power was fretched be. deavoured to thew, chat the tenyond its due limits, when it was dency and effect of all the laws wantonly and intentionally abuf- which had for several years been ed, it immediately changed its passed relative to that body, went nature; it was then no longer directly to draw it daily nearer discretionary, it became arbitrary and nearer, to the model and conand tyrannical.

dition of a standing army. He The Duke of Richmond, in stated its original nature, with the contradiction to some of the ar. mctives and design of its inftitu. sertions made, and doctrines now tion; and then endeavoured to laid down, quoted the debates of thew how it had been warped to that house in the year 1733, and purposes entirely different. And, the spirited proteit then entered, after several malterly observations upon the crown's dismisling Lord on the subject, declared, that Cobham and the Duke of Boiton under such circumstances, if the from their places. This he hop- lieutenants of counties were to be ed would strike the lords as a pre: dismissed for their conduct in parcedent fully satisfactory, for the liament, and for differing in poright of parliament to regulate litical opinions with the minifters: the abuse of discretion in the for the time being, the only dif. crown; and he hoped the cir- ference he could make between a cumstance of the late Earl of standing army, and a militia so Bathurst, being at the head of the constituted and governed, was, peers who figoed that protest, that (for several reasons which he would have its due effect on the specified) he would give a prefeLord President of the council, rence to the former. (then present) in inducing him It was remarked, that the to support the sentiments of his smallest answer was not made by noble fasher. The Duke appeal- the court lords, to the numerous ed, with respect to the late pro- charges which were made on the motions in the army, to the law other side, with respect to che lords, and to the bench of bilh- government both of the army and ops; aking the learned lord on the militia. Excepting it thould the wool-fack, and the right re. be considered as such, that a noverend prelace, at che head of that ble lord in office, who had been: benchs how they would approve lately ambassador in Paris, spoke

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a few words in vindication of the and character of a man who had promotion of his late secretary, its interest at heart, if he reColonel Fullarton; who he said mained any longer without an was a gentleman of such known express and unequivocal declara. and tried character, that he could tion of his sentiments. He sup. venture to answer for his support- ported the motion, approved the ing the character of a soldier with county meetings and associations, {pirit and propriety; that he had and strongly condemned the conliberally offered to raise a regi- duct of adminiftration. ment; and that the state of pub. He concluded by renouncing tic affairs rendered it necessary to all party motives, and party encourage such zeal for his ma- views. He had nothing to hope jefty's service.

for but the peace, prosperity, and The attention of the house was welfare of his native country. He much drawn by the Duke of De. could have no temptation to en. vonshire's speaking for the firft courage domeftic broils or civil time, in pablic, upon this ques- confufion. He had a confideration. This he did with a firm- ble stake to lose, and he was inteness and facility, which seldom rested as an Englilaman, for the accompanies a first effay in parlia preservation of the conftitution, ment; and with a moderation, and the invaluable rights, liberand an air of `fincerity, which ties, and privileges derived from seemed to gain the hearts of those it. without the bar, while an univer. The question being put at 11 fal filence reigned within. He o'clock, the motion was rejected faid he had hitherto been filent on on a division, by a majority of all the political questions on which 92, including 26 proxies, to 39, he had voted, because speaking including 8 proxies. The Duke in public was not agreeable to his of Richmond, who held the Duke temper. But he observed, that of Leinster's proxy, refused to fach was now the deplorable situ- give it; as a mark, undoubtedation of his country, that he ly, of his disapprobation of that fhould think himself base, dege mode of voting. Derate, and unworthy the name

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Order of the day for going into a committee on Mr. Burke's establisment

bill. Question of competency farted. Debated. Opposition infiji, that the decifion of that question foould take place of the order of the day. Quiption for tbe order of the day, carried, upon a very close division. Debles in the committee on the first clause of he establishment bill, for abclishing the office of third secretary of Aate. Clause rejected, after very long debates, upon a division, by a very small majority. Long debates in the committee, on a subsequent day, upon that clause of the eftablijbment bill, for abolising the board of trade. Qeftion for abolishing that board, corried upon a division. Difference between the speaker and

the minifier. Mr. Fuilarton's complaint of she Earl of Shelhurne. Issue · of that affair in Hyde Park. Notice given by Sir James Loruther, of an

intended motion, for preserving the freedom of debate in parliament. Subject confiderably agilated. Warmly wesented without doors. Addreses of congratulation to the Earl of Shelburne on his recovery. Dan. ger in which Mr. Fox and he had been exposed, attributed to their zeal in the ference of their country, Contractors bill brought in by Sir Philip Fernings Clerke, and carried through tbe House of Commons without a division. Griat Debates on the laufe in Mr. Burke's establifoment bill, for abolishing the offices of treasurer of the chamber, and others. Quertion, on the first member of the clause, loft upon a division. Succeeding questions reječled. Dibates on tbe minister's motion for giving notice to the East India company, of the paying off beir capital flock at the end of tbree years. Previous question moved, and lift on a division. Motion againil receiving obe report of the new taxes, until the peritions of the papi: were considered; rejected upon a divisi-n by a great majority. Earl of Efingham's motion in the House of Lords, for a lift of places, pen

hons, &c. held by members of Ibat boufe, reje&ted upon a division. IN wo days after the disposal the house to enter into any discus

I of the question relative to the fion whatever, relative to the king's
Marquis of Carmarthen and the civil lift revenue or establishment.
Earl of Pembroke, the order of This gentleman, who had hi.
March 8th.
hen the day for going into therto spoken rather ambiguously

the 'a committee on Mr. with regard to that plan of reform, Burke's establilhment bill, being after expressing now his highest called for in the House of Com- approbation of some parts of it, mons, a gentleman who has long condemned, in terms equally expoffefied an office, which, espe. plicit, those which reached in any cially during the present war, has degree to the civil lift; as well as been generally considered as being the interference of parliament as by much the most lucrative of the all in that expenditure. He said, ftate, started an unexpected quef- that for his own part; he had ever tion, upon the incompetence of confidered, and ever mould, that



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the civil lift revenue was as much he' applied to the chair for direc-
aod as fully his majesty's, as any tion, in what manner to bring it
determinable estate, - enjoyed by forward.
any person present, was his imme- Although it was contended on
diate property. That revenue had the other side, that the principle
been settled on his majesty, at his of the bill was already fully ad-
acceslion, for life; which was an mitred, as well by the message
intereft no power on earth could from the throne, which included
deprive him of without manifefto the royal consent, in what related
injuftice; consequently, that part to its particular interests, as by
of the honourable gentleman's its being referred, without oppofi-
bill, which went to the controul of tion, from the second reading, to a
the civil lift, and to an appropria- committee; yer it was not thought
tion of the supposed savings to fitting to spend much time on that .
arise from the reform, was an at. ground; but to take much stronger,
tempt no less contrary to precedent and directly to combat the doctrine
than to justice. It would not cn- itself, without regard to the mode
ly, in its consequences, degrade of bringing it forward..
the sovereign, but it woald reduce It was maintained, by a great
him to the ftate of a precarious variety of arguments, that the so-
pensioner; whore uncertain fti- vereign, in this country, did not
pend, leffened at will, would be possess any part of his revenue, as
at all times liable to fill further a private or distinct property. That
reduction. And to what purpose the crown held no public right, or
was this violence and injustice to public property, but as a trust, for
be offered ?-to lessen the supposed the benefit of the people. It could
infuence of the crown. He had in truch gain or lose nothing; be.
heard a great deal of the influence cause it enjoyed all it possessed as a
of the crown; but he believed that favour, and for the attainment of
infuence was never less known or certain defined or implied pur-
felt than during the present reign; poses; which purposes were un.
and this he could speak from expe, derstood, to be good government,

and the well-being of the state. He declared, that he had nei. The prerogatives of the crown, ther consulted the noble minifter, the highest and most transcendant nor any other person within or parts of its power, were created without the house upon the subject. hy, and ougnt of course to be exIt was his own opinion, and he was ercised for the benefit of, the peodetermined to avow it, without ple, who created and conferred any expectation or with of support, them. It was therefore to the last further than what it might be enti. degree absurd, to represent as the tled to on iis own intrinsic merit. private rights or property of an He was apprehensive that he was individual, those which were grant. rather disorderly, as the order of ed and held for no other end than the day for going into a commit- the general good of the commu. tee, Itood in the way; but it was nity, and every right the crown a sobjed on which he wished to enjoyed, being a delegated right, take the sense of the house; and was consequently subject to exami.

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