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vourable to evasion? Would he recognise | pleased to consider in the odious light of the justice of a principle, which he would a spy, it is a matter for the committee to utterly nullify by the provisions he recom- adjust the powers and the duties with mends to carry it into effect? What then which he shall be entrusted. Is this, does he do to invigorate those extraor- however, any argument for the immediate dinary efforts which are necessary for our rejection of the bill? Does the hon. gensuccess in a contest, which has long been tleman really think that no precaution considered to be connected with our ex- whatever ought to be taken to avoid those istence? The greater part of the hon. scandalous evasions which there is but too gentleman's speech was founded upon ob- much reason to expect may be attempted? jections to the provisions of the bill; and But it is maintained by the hon. gentlemany of his objections were either utterly man, that no evasions have taken place to unfounded in any thing it contains, or of defeat the operation of the assessed tax such a nature as to admit of being cor- bill which passed last session. He is perected in the committee. To the main culiarly fortunate in the instances which objection, it may easily be answered, that have occurred to him, with respect to the the hon. gentleman assumes what is not in patriotism of his friends; but he has rated the bill. I allude to what was stated res their zeal beyond the mark. It is rather pecting the character and duties of the singular that he has not taken the opporsurveyor to be appointed under the bill. tunity of extolling their liberality in subI will not recapitulate the odious descrip- scribing to the voluntary contributions. tion which the hon. gentleman applied to The observations made by the friends of the persons who were to act in this capa- government, are, however, of a very difcity. What is the tendency of such in- ferent kind. His must have been a chosen vective, but to bring into discredit those circle, yet others were as large as the officers under the revenue, without which hon. gentleman's, before the new lights it could not be collected? The hon. gen- broke in upon him. But notwithstanding tleman says that the surveyor is at liberty the assertion, I must say, that great and te surcharge to any amount, and pending notorious instances of the concealment of the appeal to which this surcharge gives property have occurred, the check prorise, the tax will continue to be levied on vided by the legislature has been found the whole of the demand, including the insufficient to produce any adequate end, surcharge. What is the remedy which and the declarations which have been the hon. gentleman discovers for this? given in, have, on various occasions, He tells us, that the discussion of the ap- eluded the expected operation of the act. peal might be rendered so intricate as to Is it not then a matter of great concernconsume six, or even twelve months. ment-is it not a subject worthy of grave This objection he urges triumphantly, at deliberation, to consider what means may the very time too that he states it to be be devised to render the measure proposed the mode which a person surcharged will as efficient as possible to the public seradopt for his relief, at the very moment vice? The surveyor is not to be a person when he is compelled to acquiesce in the on whose discretion any assessment is to payment of a surcharge, from which he depend: he is to assist the commissioners takes care that it shall be impossible for with information, and to discharge that the commissioners of appeal to relieve him! duty which his oath prescribes, of preventSuch an argument is the consequence ing evasion where it might be within his which is stated. In fact, however, it so knowledge that it was attempted. It is happens, that no such grievance can said in proof of the importance of the exist. The surveyor's surcharge is not surveyor's office, that they have great inacted upon in the first instance, unless fluence with the commissioners in other confirmed by the commissioners. The matters where the revenue is concerned; surveyor has no discretion whatever to but, when the character of the commisadd to the charge on which the contri- sioners is taken into view, this remark butor shall be compelled to pay. The will prove that, instead of that profligate, objections of the hon. gentleman, instead worthless class, which the hon. gentleman of operating against the bill in toto, de- describes, they are men who recommonstrate the necessity of going into the mended themselves by the propriety of committee. As to the general declama- their conduct and the performance of their tion upon the character and function of duty. But, says the hon. gentleman, the the surveyor, whom some gentlemen are surveyor is the only man whom we con

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sider as likely to be bound by his oath. Yet is there no distinction between the cases? Is the temptation to perjure the same? Has the man who is sworn to the performance of his duty, the same reason to disregard it, which the man has who is endeavouring to avoid the payment of money to the state? What, then, is required?-A particular statement of income, to guard against the evasion which was practised when a general statement was only required. What is it but the means of correcting those frauds which every man's observation but the hon. gentleman's had ascertained to be prevalent? The hon. gentleman speaks, too, of the surveyor's power to extract from the books of public bodies. Here the hon. gentleman, from not attending to the bill itself, is entirely mistaken. The surveyor has no such power; he is to make extracts from, and to have access to, the public books, to which at present even any person may easily procure access for any purpose, even of mere curiosity. Might not any body now procure information how much any mercantile house possesses in the three per cents? The surveyor, then, is authorized to suggest doubts, to collect information; but he has no right whatever to ask questions of the party surcharged, or to have any inspection of his books. Does not the hon. gentleman, however, perceive that all these points are proper subjects for consideration in a committee, where it is perfectly competent to move any alteration which gentlemen may think necessary?

will attempt something which has never
yet been done by any system of taxation,
something which springs from theories of
legislation, neither founded in wisdom nor
justified by experience. I proceed to
explain my meaning more fully. The hon.
gentleman says, that if two persons have
each 500l. per annum, one of which de-
rives his income from land, the other from
industry, they ought not to be both taxed
equally at 50l. He assumes, that each
having 450l. a year left, the impost is un-
equal, What does the new tax do? Are
they not left in relation to each other pre-
cisely as they were before?
The tax
creates no new inequality. The justice
or injustice remain precisely as they were.
To complain of this inequality is to com-
plain of the distribution of property; it is
to complain of the constitution of society.
To attempt to remedy it, would be to fol-
low the example of that daring rabble of
legislators in another country, from whom
the hon. gentleman borrowed some of his
political principles, and which though he
now reprobates, he still seems inclined to
follow up. To think of taxing these two
species of incomes in a different ratio,
would be to attempt what the nature of
society will not admit; what has never
been practised in the course of four thou-
sand years. But on what foundation
does this principle, which the hon. gen-
tleman has broached, rest? Where is the
clear inequality on which he so vehe-
mently insists? Is the industry of the ar-
tist, the manufacturer, the mechanic, less
the creature of the protection of law,
less involved in the great contest in which
we are engaged, less likely to be over-
thrown in any disasters of the state, than
the income which arises from land? I
heard, with satisfaction, the argument of
an hon. baronet behind me, though I can-
not, perhaps, go along with him to the ex-
tent to which he carried it; of this, certainly

As to the criterion of the general tax, it has likewise been objected to the details, that the application is unequal in respect to the nature of income, its duration, &c. Although I do not intend to enter so much into the discussion of the provisions of the bill, I am anxious to remove those erroneous conceptions which are entertained upon this subject. Here II am sure, that if all classes in this country cannot help remarking, that the arguments of the hon. gentleman, on this branch, suppose that it is necessary to correct the inequalities which distinguish the mode in which all taxes are imposed. If such be the sentiment of the hon. gentleman, his objection goes a great deal farther than the bill before the House. The inequalities of which he complains, arise out of the nature of society, and the distribution of its rank, and the classification of its property. If he attempts to remedy what he in this considers as urgent, he

are not strictly equally sharers in the advantages which the constitution of this country affords, there are none who ought not to contribute in proportion to their means for the public defence in a quarrel, in which the comforts and the happiness of all are so deeply involved, unless when the compassion of the legislature forbears to extend the scale of taxation to those who are in the lowest class of income. The principle of the hon. gentleman then is entirely unfounded. In imputing to him that extravagant principle, which strikes

at the whole distribution of property in society, I am sure I do nothing which his own arguments do not justify; nor do I think I am mistaken in stating those principles, for the hon. gentleman was particularly careful to repeat his monstrous propositions over and over again, in proportion as he saw that they were disgusting to the feelings of the House. That industry ought to be encouraged and promoted, is a sentiment which nobody will dispute. It should be remembered, however, that this, among many others, is a case in which virtue is its own reward. What, then, is the true state of the argument? An income of 500l. from land may be equal to about 15,000l., so that a man is contented to take three per cent for his capital. In the funds, according to circumstances, and in the different funds, a man may have five, or even six per cent. If he lays out his capital in trade, and adds to it his own industry, he gets from 10 to 15 per cent. Now, if you leave the proportion undisturbed, what is it that forms the encouragement to lay out money in trade and manufactures, but the improved produce derived from industry? This is the incentive which enflames enterprise, and stimulates ingenuity. Allow that order, under which your commerce and your arts have risen to such an unexampled height of prosperity to remain undisturbed, and you preserve that incentive, that encouragement, and that reward, on which industry depends. I much doubt, indeed, whether any table which the hon. gentleman could form from all the new political lights which he ever received, could lay the foundation more secure or more permanent for arts, commerce, and every kind of exertion, than that on which they have grown so great, and flourished so long.

There is another argument of great authority, which gentlemen employ; an argument which for some time past, I have seen much insisted upon in some of the newspapers-that this was a tithe, and that all tithes are unfavourable alike to industry. The argument has no application to the present case. The tenth, which this bill imposes, is a tenth of the clear profits after the expenses of labour have been deducted. The more I have thought upon this particular subject and upon taxation in general, the more am I convinced not only of the futility, but the danger of any attempt, by the distribution of im

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posts, to make any difference in that order which the nature of society has already established. It is necessary to observe the arrangements which have been already formed, and to accommodate the proportion of taxes to the classes of property which have already been marked. To proceed beyond this, is to dissolve all established principles, and to overthrow the fabric of society which time and the progress of accumulation have reared. Another curious inference may be drawn from the observations made against the hardships incurred by persons possessed of life estates, of temporary ones, and of those who receive the rewards of laborious employments. It happens singularly enough, that the public offices held under government, uniting in their nature profits derived from labour and temporary estates, are included in the operation of the bill. Now, Sir, these gentlemen who oppose it, have proposed on former occasions, as a great resource for the national expenditure, that all those offices should be made to contribute largely to the public serviceI do not mean sinecures, for they wished to suppress them. The calculations furnished this night are not more exact than those of the hon. baronet on that occasion; the references certainly were not those of the board of agriculture; but the hon. baronet had made the prodigious discovery, that if all the public offices were placed on a reduced establishment, and others suppressed, the sum of ten millions would be saved to the public. I was highly pleased with the project, and sincerely wished for the execution of it; but I was always unfortunately stopped in every attempt I made to go on with it, by finding that the entire expenses of the public offices only amounted to onetenth of the prodigious saving which was so confidently held out. The hon. baronet's attention has been taken up with agricultural studies and military tactics, or he might have known, that a committee appointed for the express purpose, had made a very different calculation. We have already had a committee of finance, which has discharged the important duties attached to it in the most satisfactory manner-a committee which, except that the hon. baronet was not a member of it, is perfectly to the mind of every gentleman in this House, and many of its sug. gestions for economy and regulation have been carried into effect with great advantage.-From this digression, however,

into which I have been carried by the subject of offices, I now return.

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It is objected still, that it is unjust that the man who has an annuity or an income, I was stating with how little favour the the fruit of his labour, should pay in the hon. gentleman and his friends formerly proportion of a man who has the same reconsidered annuities for life in the case of venue from fixed property. This objeclaborious offices; let us now see how tion is altogether a fallacy. A permanent their old opinions tally with their new, estate, which is represented as namely this branch of income was most dying, and, as it were, the property ofa man obnoxious to taxation, now it is to be after his death, contributes on every eximost favoured. The hon. gentleman gency which may occur; the income from does not think that a great increase of labour and industry is extinguished; it taxes on consumption would be more ad- contributes but once! it is no longer the vantageous than a general tax on all in- property of the same person: while the come. Is the inequality or the hardship other, which is considered as the same greater now than it was, or than it would property, is subject to renewed demands. be, should taxes of consumption be in- This reasoning may be thought refined; creased? If not, then the hon. gentleman is but the answer is justly applicable in the only quarrelling with this tax, because it case where the reason, why fixed property is not so unequal as the former mode of should contribute more, is founded on its contribution had been. This plan, which supposed permanency, in opposition to is more general, more comprehensive, the fleeting character of the other. How which embraces a great deal of property then is it possible to discriminate between which formerly eluded taxation, and by the various kinds of property; or to enter consequence, distributes the burthen more into the details which could alone enable fairly, is considered inadmissible. But I you to apply any scale of exemption, am told, that a large sum within the year without an investigation more oppressive, cannot be raised by increasing the exist a disclosure more extensive, than any ing taxes on consumption. What is the thing which the bill permits? How much consequence? Does not the hon. gentle- safer is it to submit to those inequalities man compel us to resort to the more ex- which are the lot of man, and which it is pensive expedient of raising money by not the business, nor is it in the power, of loans, instead of adopting a plan more ex- schemes of finance to correct! Could we tensive in its effect, while it provides for even indulge the wish to correct these inthe redemption of what it is necessary to equalities, which arise out of the very naborrow, without that load of permanent ture of society, is this the legislative retaxes, which the funding system renders medy? Let us then forbear to attempt what indispensable? But, it is said that a tax is perhaps beyond the power of human leon capital is preferable. Was it not gislation to correct. It is an enterprize proved, however, that from the state of that would hurry us far beyond our landed property, not more than one-third depth, and lead to consequences far more of it is now in the hands of persons who extensive than we can foresee, and might could be called upon to contribute, so produce an overthrow of all establishthat two-thirds would be placed wholly ments, and all regular order, which it is out of reach for any purpose of present impossible to contemplate without appreexertion? What is the great object of the hension. The principle of argument that measure before the House? Is it not to goes to remedy this supposed evil, belongs raise within the year, from what consti- to the school of dangerous innovation tutes the means of individuals within the which we ought not for a moment to indulge, year, such a proportion as is deemed ne- The consequence of this tax then will be, cessary for the exigencies of the state, that whoever contributes a tenth of his and the magnitude of the present crisis? income under this bill, will have a tenth Do you wish to avoid burthening the pub-less to spend, to save, or to accumulate. lic with a loan? What advantage would you derive from it, however, if individuals mortgage their estates? Would not the aggregate of private loans encumber the mass of national wealth as much as if the nation contracted the obligation? The object then is, to make the annual means of individuals applicable to a supply within

the year.

At the end of the war those who shall have contributed will be no poorer; they will only be to the extent of it less in. creased in riches than they would have been. The advantages of it are in a particular manner in favour of those on whom it will fall, instead of accumulating taxes on consumption, as it will bring all income

to contribute more equally, and include a great deal of that which, in the hands of those who spend less than their income, escapes contribution altogether. Laying aside the proud idea of the vigour, permanence, and renewing energy which this measure secures, there is one case which, with a view to that class who are really willing to save for the benefit of those for whom they are bound to provide, makes some modification. It is in favour of those who have recourse to that easy, certain, and advantageous mode of providing for their families by insuring their lives. In this bill, as in the assessed taxes, a deduction is allowed for what is paid on this account. Such is the general view of the merits of this important question. It is one which has engaged much of my serious attention, and I am far from presuming that it has already attained the perfection of which it is capable. The ine. qualities objected to it are not peculiar to its nature; they arise from our social state itself, and the correction of that order we cannot, as we ought not, attempt to alter. It would be a presumptuous attempt to derange the order of society, which would terminate in producing confusion, havock, and destruction, and with a derangement of property, terminate in the overthrow of civilized life.

The question being put, "That the said Report be now taken into further consideration;" the House divided:

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subject which had been much in his thoughts; it was a subject which nearly concerned the character and dignity of the House, and of every individual member. Whether the matter he was about to bring forward would lead to any mo tion, must depend in a great measure on the reception which the House would give to the remarks he wished to throw out. It was a standing order of the House that strangers should be excluded from the gallery, but this order had not been rigorously enforced, and some how or other, statements had been made in the public newspapers, said to be the report of what passed within that House, but in various instances which had come within his knowledge, they had contained misrepresentations, and had an evident tendency to prejudice the public mind against the deliberations of parliament. It became the House, therefore, seriously to consider whether it was not high time to meet the evil of which he complained, and to prevent the misrepresentation of gentlemen's speeches. For his own part, he entertained little doubt that the object of some of the parliamentary reports to which he referred, was, to aim a blow at the constitution, by means of an attack on that House and its members. If it was merely the case of an individual who had been thus injured, or of himself in parti. cular, he would not press this matter upon their consideration; but he had thought for years past that there existed a studied design to misrepresent, and even to vilify the members and their proceedings. He had been told, when in the country, that he had both spoken and voted differently from what he had done, and he had beard persons in the country again and again express themselves with astonishment at the speeches and votes of individual members, to which they had been led by the misrepresentations which had gone forth in the public papers. Some of those vehicles had contented themselves with merely stating, that some honourable member had made a very able or eloquent speech, whilst the speech of another, in opposition to it, had been given at great length. The evident design of this was to bias the public mind against their constituents. An evil of such magnitude should be remedied some way or other. He could not but be anxious, not only that his own character, but that of every honourable gentleman should be represented fairly. He was far from objecting, that

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