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He proceeded to ridicule the idea be the loadest in stating the result of the extinction of jacobinism, of their own condict and counsels; which had been adduced as a rea and the most studious in detailing son for consolation under our dis. the perils with which their impruappointments. He asked, did the dence, their ebstinacy, or their first consul meditate no hostile de infacuation, hai encompassed the signs against this country? Was country. He went on to ask-but he incapable of fomenting discord after all, what was the blame now and discontent in Ireland? Had imputed to ministers? That they he shown no tenderness for Napper made peace without foreseeing what Tandy, a foul and convicted traitor? advantages France would derive Was there not an English paper" from peace: and that they did not called " The Argus," set up in Pa- now hold a bold and blustering ris, under the controul, like the other language; while it was confessed journals, and perhaps under the pro- that, if they again tried the chances tection, of the French government of war, there would be scarcely any Its columns were filled with dull se di- hope of their doing any thing eftion; and one of the numbers plain- fectual. Would to God that no ly told Ireland that she owed no greater faults could be imputed to allegiance to the king of Great the present or to the late adminiBritain. So much, continued he, stration! The honourable baronet for the extinction of jacobinism. next proceeded to state his more He adverted, finally, to the de particular objections to the profenceless state of this country and posed address. It stated, that we of Ireland ; and declared, that as to should look with watchfulness to the question of peace or war, he the state of Europe; and seemed to had only to say that we should intimate that we should catch at keep arms in our hands, and retain an opportunity of renewing hostipossession of what was not yet licies. Such an expression he could ceded to France: we were fully not but consider as imprudent: for justified in assuming that attitude; it argued an inclination, without a for with the succession of power consciousness of ability, to give it and resources which France had effect: in such language there vas received, he asked, was there any little of wisdom or of dignity. The thing like a rational hope of peace? other passarre he lead to object to

Sir Francis Burdett admitted, was that which alluded to the ad. that the honourable gentleman who vantages of the union with Ireland. had just sat down, had depicted, Ireland had reaped no advantages with great truth, the melancholy from what had been commonly state of the country, arising out of called the union ; but which, in the gigantic aggrandisement and truth, should be called her subju- accumulating resources of France. gation : if any advantage were deBut at the same time that he con- rived from it, it was experienced fessed this, should he not be per- only by ministers, who drew fromit mitted to observe, how extraordi- an additional phalanx to strengthen nary it was, that those who had their ranks in that house. He pro

accumulated against us this moun- ceeded, if it were really the wish tain of dangers and difficulties, of ministers to rally and unite all should be the most forward to ex honest men in defence of the con. agrerate then ? that they should stitution and country, let them had


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forth some principle for which they of ministers; and that the army would fight; a principle that would and navy had been diminished ac. vin their hearts, and gain the sanc. cording as the power of France tion of their understanding. For had increased assertions which his part, he believed the principle had been already combated and of reform would have great weight disproved by the statements of the with the people to that effect; and chancellor of the exchequer. under the present circumstances of General Maitland stated, from our situation, he did not see eiiat his own knowledge, that we had any other principle would enable 48,000 seamen on board that fleet the country to cope with France, which was said to be wholly disa and rise above the difficulties with mantled. Many of our seamen which it was now threatened. As had, no doubt, been suffered to reto the question of war or peace, he turn to their homes ; but considerwould congratulate the country on ing the privations to which these the impossibility we were in to at- brave fellows had been subjected tempt the former. Such an at- during the war, this indulgence tempt in the present state of Eu- was surely not a matter of blame. rope, would betray not a spirit of If seamen were wanted, he had no hostility, but of insanity. But as doubt that the summons of the that topic had already been so able and gallant lord St. Vincent much discussed, he should not would procure them faster than dwell upon it; but content himself, the ships could put to sea. with concurring in the address, as 'surprising to him to find that the far as it went to encourage and minds of certain gentlemen were maintain the costinuance of peace. evidently bent or war; when in

Lord Dillon said a few words. fact, were all the French colonies

Mr. Johnstone approved of the retaken, and were the sea swept of conduct of ministers in endeavour- all buit British and neutrals, we ing to maintain peace.

should not be one jot nearer to our Lord Temple severely animad- object, in our attempt on continenverted on a part of the speech of tal France. an honourable baronet, sir Francis The secretary at 'war confessed Burdert, where the present power that he was glad to hear the speech of France was ascribed to the at- of the noble lord (Temple) ; betempts of a confederacy of despots. cause, till he had heard him speak, But he principally rose to notice a he was at a loss to come to any phrase which was used on both practical conclusion upon the arsides of the house, viz. that he and guments of the gentlemen who his friends wished for war at ariy had taken the same course. From rate, in preference to peace on any the speech of a right honourable terms. "To such an assertion he member (Mr. Windham) tire premust give a flat denial. They had ceding day, he thought then that no wish for war; they saw all its their object was to renew the war; dangers in the present state of the but he now found, from the speech country, and were ready to confèss of the noble lord, that their object the almost impossibility of success was the dismissal of his majesty's under the present circumstances. ministers. It was manly in the ( A cry of hear! hear!) His lorde noble lord.to avow it ; thinking as Ship then afirmed the insufficiency he did, that himself and his friend 1803.


- could fill their places much better. power was certainly mysterious ; it This then being the noble lord's was not yet explained. If it were opinion, why not bring the que- such as he had already alluded to, stion before the house, and put it the noble lord's proposition would fairly at issue ; instead of drawing not be ill received, though minis. a gloomy piciure of our atlairs, ters might piead the peace they had and exaggerating the dangers of concluded as a set-off against this the country with a view to make charge. He could not help exit discontented with the present pressing his surprise at the dreary administration? They did not come picture which the noble lord and into office, he said, by cabal or in- his friends liad drawn of the state trigue. Whatever might be their of this country, compared with deficiencies, it would at least be that of France; and his regret for said of them, that they gave peace the terms in which they were in to the country, and that it had suf- the habit of speaking of the French fered no dishonour or calamity in people and their government. It their hands,

was not becoming the dignity or Mr. Fox also felt the most sin- policy of this country to use such cere pleasure, that the noble lord language, nor was the comparison had so frankly confessed the views consistent with justice. Nothing and objects of the gentlemen with but the spirit of exaggeration or whom he acted. It was rather un consummate blindness could ima. candid, however, in the noble lord's gine it. Mr. Fox then discussed, friends, to call in to their aid every at some length, most of the topics popular topic, every subject likely which had already been urged as to inflame the popular feelings, arguments for the recommencewhen they had nouiing in contem. ment of hostilities; and showed, plation but their own advance- that such a conclusion was not ment. If they felt that the present fairly deducible from any one of ministers had misconducted the them, or from all together. He ..public affairs, let a fair appeal be was afraid that ministers indulged

made to the public opinion, to the a rivalry, bordering on hatred, : judgement of that house; every against the French : and fancied patriot would go impartially io the all should join in their alarms ; discussion : but let not charges be without considering that the fears - thus indirectly advanced. Though of many of the states of Europe

he was not disposed to join the no were as much directed against our . ble lord's friends in their censure ascendency by sea, as against the of the present ministers, 'yei, if extraordinary power of France on these ministers were, as report the continent: and he had no

stated, introduced into oífice in doubt, that were there an assem- order to stand in the way of a bly in France of the same nature · great act of justice to the majority as that house, the formidable power

of the Irish people, and to a large of our navy would be as much the proportion of the inhabitants of subject of jealous remark and : England, most undoubtedly they apprehension, as the continental y deserved censure; but if such were strength of France was now to o the ground of the noble lord's us. He recommended the avoid. : abuse, why not arow it? The ance of those usmanly libels, which 5 mode by which minisiers got into both in and out of parliament were Lawat


teo frequently levelled at the French of the treaty; but even admitting government. He noticed the war that to be true, the argument of words which existed between the founded on them, if it did not apnewspapers of this country and of ply to ministers now, would still France : but, said he, let the Mo- apply to the dangerous situation of niteur and the Morning Post, the the country owing to the peace. It Times and the Argus, go on in was asked, what was the cure even their hostile language; it was easier for the danger, if admitted ?-was it to be endured than a war of bayo- war? He would say that, in the nets. He should decline support- comparison of war, as the cure, ing the extended establishment with peace, it might fairly be conwhich was thought necessary; be- tended, that every thing we should cause he considered a large stand- not lose would be gain. It was to ing army, independent of conside- prevent, not to cure, that he wished. rations of expense, to be the most In comparing the war with peace dangerous instrument of influence as a cure, he contended, that peace in the hands of the crown. The had enlarged the sphere of Bona

prehension that French industry parte's ambition, by allowing it to would injure our commerce, was extend to every quarter of the a subject for ridicule. If the first globe, while war had confined it consul should order Genoa to rival to Europe. As to the advantages London, Amsterdam to rival Li- of peace for commerce, the queverpool, as commercial orders were stion was, what security had we for always obeyed, the circumstance that commerce and the wealth it would be very alarming; but would gave? If poverty were a security war remedy the evil a laugh), or against robbery, surely wealth was would not greater evils arise out of in itself a bad protection against it? To go to war on principles of the robber. After pursuing the commercial rivalship, would be an comparison of the safety of peace act of madness and folly.

with the safety of war to a consiMr. Windham commended the derable length, from which he inbrilliancy of Mr. Fox's speech ; ferred that war would have enathough it was a brilliancy with- bled us to secure more than peace out force, as almost every thing gave us a chance of securing, he the speech contained was falla- adverted with severity to the lancious. The war of France was guage which had been held as to not a paper war; it was a war of continental connexions; that we measures, of deeds, most calami. were too honest to deal with the tous to Europe. With respect to princes of the continent, &c. It what had been said of the “

ag was not true that Austria abangressions” of France, he believed doned us. the word aggressions had not been test, not yielding, but as it were used, at least in the sense given to driven out of the line. it by the honourable gentleman. The chancellor of the excheWithout actual aggressions, there quer observed, that the purpose of might be acts committed by ano the arguments of the right honourther state which might justify war. able gentleman (Mr. Windham) It was said too, that the acts com was to establish the proposition: plained of on the part of the French that, upon the whole, war was government had existed at the time more desirable than peace. The

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right honourable gentleman spoke ple) to point out a single instance of the evils which would have been where the conduct of ministers beaverted, had the country remained trayed a wart of promptitude or in the former situation ; that the vigour. He hoped the noble lord French would not at present be in would condescend expressly to state possession of Louisiana or St. Do the grounds upon which he brought mingo, and that the British feet the charge he had asserted. With would retain the superiority in the respect to what had fallen from an Mediterranean. But he contended, honourable gentleman opposite to that the true question for the con- trim (Mr. Fox), relative to the lansideration of the house was, whe- guage which had lately, appeared ther upon the whole it were better in the public prints of the respecfor the sake of averting those com- tive countries, he concurred in all paratively lesser evils, to plunge the his observations. At the same country again into the calamities of time he wished not to be under. war? The effect of the right ho- stood to say, that a finger should nourable gentleman's arguments be laid upon the British press upon was not to renew, but to render that account; God forbid ! as the the war perpetual ; namely, that it worst consequences the imprudence should be prosecuted till it so ope- of news writers could produce, were rated upon the power of France, as light and insignificant, compared to produce, on her part, an incapa- to the effect of such an outrage ! city of further hostilities. It had However, language not less reprebeen asserted by a noble lord hensible proceeded from the other (Temple), that it wils impossible side of the water than what ishostilities should be renewed. To sued from the press of this coun. this proposition he would ever op- try. He had, on a former occa. pose a decided negative. On the sion, stated his apprehensions from first discussion of the question of the language of those whose expeace, the house would do him the aggerated statements went to place justice to recollect that he had ex. the country in a state of warfare ; pressly stated, that the war was not on the other hand, apprehensions discontinued on account of

were to be entertained from the ficiency in the means of carrying it line of conduct recommended by on. He therefore would have no those who would make any comhesitation in asserting, that were promise for the preservation of the honour of the country touched, peace. It was the duty and inor its security in danger, it would tention of those who administered not only be possible to renew hos- his majesty's government, to steer tilities, but it possessed the means between both extremes; and to obof supporting a contest of seven or serve a line of moderation founded eight years duration, without im- upon those principles in which they posing any burdens upon the peo- deemed the honour and security ple, but such as would, umder all of the country to consist. In pur. the circumstances of the case, be suing that course, they relied upon borne with cheerfulness. He then the approbation of their country, proceeded to repel the imputation and the support of that house; of a want of vigour in the measures and from such a course they would of ministers. He could with con. not be diverted. On the great and fidence defy the noble lord (Tem- salutary objects they l:d in view,


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