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biar there could not now be a doubt of the Lord Frederick Campbell boasted of the Decellity of me:ing it, and the Ministers independence of his mind, which no inwho owe. Their muation to it, with the fluence should bias. He was delirous to inoft fpirited and chectual resolutions. His sec the new India bill, but without pledg. family had been always friends to the ing himself to support it. Bruniivick family, and his blood ran warm Mr. Fraser said he would readily haz. at the very name of the Princess Sophia; ard his property, his life, and every thing but ftill his love for that family did not ex- dear to him for the fainily on the throne ; tinguish his love for the constitution; and but no undue influence thould ever make if ever there were rimes since the Revolu- him vote contrary to his judgment. tion in which the constitucion was in dan.. At length the question was called, and ger, they are the present.--He men- the gallery cleared of strangers, the House

tioned his expression relative to a charter's foon divided, it being then HALF PAST I being only a piece of parchment with a two in the Morning.

picce of wax dangling to it, and which Ayes for the Order of the Day 232 had been so grossly misrepresented. What Noes,

193 he had taid was this : The precedent of elie India bill cannot be dangerous to the Majority ageinst the Minister

39 charters of London, the Bank, and other Tire Order of the Day was read. corporations; for they have it not it in their Mr. Hulley took his feat at the table power to do the mischiefs that have fjoruny as Chairman of the from the charter of the East India Com-' COMMITTEE ON THE STATE OF THE rany: a charter that rendered the whole

NATION. territories miserable was not sacred in his Mr. For then rose, and moved, eyes : what was a charter compared with “ That it is the opinion of this Committee the prefervation of thirty millions of people that for any person or persons in his Maand the salvation of an empire, but a piece jcfy's Treasury, or in the Erchequer, or of parchment with a bit of wax dangling" in the Bank of England, employed in the to it.

payment of the publie monry, to pay or Mr. Rigby said, he had heard that if " direct, or cause to be paid, ar jum or Ministers should be left in a minority, the sums of money, for or towards the supParliament would be dissolved; but he' " port of the services voted in this présen: declared he did not believe the report, till Seffion of Parliament, after the Parliahic had heard the Chancellor of the Ex- “ ment shall have been prorogued or difchequer duliver his sentiments ; and now solved, if it shall be prorog ued or dif. pc had noed doubt but that such a measure solved before any aai of Parliament shall would take place. unless the Houfe would ' have passed, appropriating the supplies on this occainn, frighten the Minister out to fuck services, will be a high crime of such an intention by numbers on the and msilemeanour, a daring 'breach of divilion : the wording of the King's an the public Irus, dirogatory 10 the fun. fiver, which notwithlianding what he had damental privileges of Parliament, and heard, le would treat as the answer of subversive to the confirmtion of this the Minitier, was conceived in rerms that country." any Old Bailey or Newgate Solicitor, or the This was supported in a very able moit wretched peoty-forging Actorney speech from Sir Grey Cooper, and another hould be alsmed of. Why did not the from Lord North. It passed however Alinifter speak out Was he aiisid of without a division. the House :ha: he was going to dissolve? Mr. Fox next moved, Was be afraid to tell the nation what he That it is the opinion of this Committee, thought of their representatives. He re that there be laid before this House acynarked a poor cquivocation in the Mini. counts of the focueral sums of money ifger, rcianiec to whai his friends had said fuell, or ordered to be iffued from ihe for hiin before the recess; it could not e 19th day of December, 1783, to the fcane che mcanest capacitis lle mention 14th of January, 1784, inclufve,' to dihe late rezolucions of the Eali lodia " any person or perfons towards naval ferConan; ard [410 that if they were to “ vices, and for the charges of the office of beeho batis of the Minifter's net bill, he Ordnance, or to the Secretaries of his Ma. must call it the most wretched of all the jesty's Treasury, or to the Governor or al carures he had ever heard of. Clerks of the Bank of England, on account

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for and forvards fervices voted in the the House of Commons, which had

present reffion of Parliament, but not yet only originated its grants, and fill retainappropriated by an uny akt of Parlia-, ed the legal right to controul and qualify mext 10 fuch services.

those grants, would not permit them to This rejolution was also carried without be made the instruments of public mischiet a divisor.

and confusion, to the Members of that Mr. Fox then presented a third motion, House it afforded the fatisfactory assurance, That no monie's Thould be issued for any that a confitent firmaets and contcientious "public services, till that return vas freedom of conduct had uot exposed them " made, ard for three days aftercvarıls.to be harassed and disturbed by expenfive

Mr. Brett oppoícd the motion, and and vindictive re-clcctions; and laitly, to the

Mr. Fox and Sir Grey Cooper replied public at large it gave this great consolaand defended it. It being suggested, tion in the midst of the present convulsions "however, in the course of the debate, that of good government, that it was an urter the motion, if carried, might embarrals impossibility to add to che various difficul. the payment of bills, which would pro- ties of the times by the raih ditsolution of "baby fall due,

a Parliament, which (previous to the late úr. Fox with that candour and regard interruption) was industriously and hofor the public, that distiuguish binn not nestly employing itself in the protection less than his unparalleled talents, wich- and improvement of the revenues, the drew the motion. Upon which

commerce, the public credit, and policia Mr. Eden oblerved that the inanner in lions of this kingdom. which his Right Honourable Friend had Mr. Fox said, what he had hitherto withdrawn the motion, purporting to re- propoled was with a view to provide aArain the farther issuing of public money gainst a ludden and immediate dissolution for a few days, upon a suggestion that it of Parliament; he had one more motion might poffibly occasion fome inconvenie to offer, calculated with a view to prevent ence, was one proof among many of the a dilsolution at a more advanced period. extreme caution, moderation, and deli. That was the only motion he should procacy, with which the late Ministers and pole then, but as some other gentlemen their friends were disposed to act. He had motions to make, he hoped ibe Houfe desired, however, to inform gentlemen would not separate, when he had moved who might otherwise feel fome uncaliness the resolution he had just alluded to. This upon the subject, that the withdrawing fourth resolution was, this vote did not open any facilities for the That it is the opinion of this Committee menaced diffolution of Parliament : in " that the Chairman of one Committee be truth, it was become politically impoffi " directed to move the Houfe, that she bill ble, under the firit Refolution for one fix " for punishing Mutiny and Defertion, pence to be paid either to the army or na and for the better payment of the army vy, or to any of the public services of the and their quarters, be read a seconda year, if a diffolution Mould take place s time on Monday the 2 30 day of February prior to the act of appropriation. He ad “ next." ded, that there were fome other inferences This, Mr. Fox faid, would allow amrefulting from his Right Hon. Friend's ple time for passing the hill into a lav befirst proposition, which well merited the fore the present act expired, attention of every man in the kingdoin, Mr. Pitt laid, he had no objection ; but and which he trusted and hoped would, in the Hon. Gentleman seemed not to be a the firft hour of quiet recollection, be pro. ware that his object would be as fully atperly felt and generally understood. To rained without the resolution, as with it: the advisers (if any there were) of an in fince he would at all times have it in his temperate use of acknowledged preroga. power to prevent the second reading of the tives, it was an intimation that fuch advice bill till his end was antivered. would produce nothing more than a ftri& Mr. Fox adınitted the truth of the Right assertion of parliamentary rights : to Hón. Gentleman's observation, but affignthe Ministers of the day it was a leffon ed his reasons why it was necellary to have upon the temerity of undertaking the the matter stand formaliy entered on the government of a people, without pol- Journals. selling the confidence of their pre The Refolution was agreed to. Tentatives. To the Treasury 'Board, Lord Surrey then made a few general the Auditor of the Exchequer, and the observations on the critical and alarming Bank Directors, it was a notice, that situation of affairs, and of the events with



regard to a change of Ministers, that had Lord Surrey's motion was then carried lately taken taken placc, by way of in- without a dir lion. truduction to a resolution, declaring The House was then refumed, and the

That it is the opinion of this Commit. different refolutions were reported, read tee, that in the present ftuation of his a hrst and fucond time and agreed to, after Majesty's dominions, it is peculiarly ne which “ celery, that there should be an almini Mi. For then moved “ That the Come Atration, which has the confidence of this 6 mittee on the state of the nation fit azuia House and the public."

on Wednojlay.His lord ship concluded with moving his Mr. Pint gave notice, that on WednesResolution.

day he thould inove for leave to bring in Mr. Dundas said, he knew not whe. his India bill. ther the name of his Majesty had been ac He then presented the following mes. cidentally or intentionally left out of the fage from his Majesty. motion, but as i: was to the full as ne « GEORGE R. ceffary that an administration thould pof His Majesty thinks it proper to dlsess the confidence of the Crown, and of quaint the Houje of Commons, that the true the other House of Parliament, as the con- la divisions of Hefjian troops, which were. fidence of that House and the people, he employed in America in the service of should move to amend the motion by Great Britain, not having arrived in the changing the phrafe, and inserting in the Down, the place of their rendezvous, nasoon of the words of the latter part of it til tre setting in of the froft in the river as it then stood, the words of the Crown, Ilifir, haul made it impracticable for them the Parliament, and the People.

10 proceed immediately to the place of their After fome debate, the amendment was final defination, his Moje y has found it negalived, and the original motion cur- unavoidably neceffary 19 order the jaid ried.

troops to dif, mbard, and to be stationed in Lord Surrey next proposed a further re the barrarks of Hilla, Dover, and Charolurion,

tham ; and at the same time has given dis That it is the opinion of this Commite rections, that they shall be reimbarked and tre, that the late changes in his Mujef. fent home as soon as the Wifer is navigable; “ ty's Councils were immediately preceded every neceffary priparation for that par« by dangerous and universial reports that pose having, by his Majesty's orders, been " his Majesty's fureid name huul bern un. already made. conftitutionally abused to affret the de.

G. R." so libérations of Parliament, and that the Mcflage read.

Resolved nem. “ appointnients made were accompanied " That an humble aderefs be presented 19 by circumstances net and extraordina- his Muirfly', in return his Muitfly the

ry, and such as to not conciliute or en thanks of this Houfe, for the gracious como gage

the confidence of this House." muniiation contained in his Majesiy's mefThis second resolution pointing fo di- Juge in this House to be presented by Privy rectly against the new Miniftri, their Counsellors." friends of course opposed it; and

The House then rose, is being half pal Mr. H. Dundas moved,

seven o'clock on Tuesday morning. 16 That the Chairman do leave the chair, report progress, and it leave to fila

HOUSE of COMMONSgain." On this motion a debate and division

Wednesday, January 14: took place,

Mr. Foljambe took the oaths and his feat For the chairman leaving the chair 142 for the County of York, in the room of Again it

196 Sir Gcorge Savile resigned, on account of

his bad itate of health.t Majority again ft Miniftry



The Prince of Wales did not appear less * It is said, a Great Personage remained in ansious. His Highness took his ffation un the utmost solicitude to know the relult of der the gallery of The House, and remained this cight's debate. He signified to the Mi- there till the division took place. He afrer nilter ihat be mould not think of repose till wards adjourned with a party of the oj polihe krew the divihon. Some of the Treasury tion. riders were accordingly kept in waiting, to † Sir George Savile died a few days after fer off at a moment's warning, for Wiodior.

greatly 'amented.


Mr. Pirt Chancellor of the Exchequer ihould be obtained or not; but to him it role to open his plan relative to the Go was a matter of fincere satisfaction, that, vernment of India. Hc faid, that not. when the necetlitics of the India Company, withltanding the courcinpt with which and the dittraction of their Government, fume gentlemen had been pleased to treat abroad, made it necellary that the legila-, the relations of the Eaft India Company, cure of this country thould interpose and on which they by anticipatiun presumed abridge the Company of time of their his plan was to be built, he was ready to righes; it was matter of fatisfaction to coufets, and he felt a pleasure in having him, he said, that he was not obliged to iz to contais, that there very refolutions have recourle to violence, to connication, vere, in fact, the basis of his fyftem for and to plunder, in order to cffcet falutary the Goreramcot of Jodia. To those who reform; but that the very perfons molt made light of the chartered rights and Jeeply intereited, as individuals, in those property of men, it might be master of in- rights which were to be taken away, were difference whether the consent of the par, ready to concur with bin in the change ties who were to be deprived of them that he intended to introduce into the go

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+ EAST INDIA HOUSE. rive thereupon, in such cases only where the

commercial atlairs are connected with the ciJanuary ibe Beb, 1784.

vil or military governmeni, or revenues of the The Coders of Direciors of the United Company Company, Itaring his reafons in writing for of Merchants of England mading is obe Eafie such negative; and if the Company thall not Indies da bereby give Notice.

alter the farme, so as to obtain his aprobation, Ibat a General Court of the faid Company they may apply by petition to his Majesty in wil te beld at their House in Leadenball-freed, Counc:l, whole dicifion on the matter in diton Saturday nexi, ibe içib in/lant at Elevin pute ihall.b, conclufive. Clock in zbe forincon, until Sion ir ibe Even.

3d. “ That the General Court b' peftrain. ing, for she determination, by valios, of 16. fulo ed only from refcinding any acts of the Court luwing Propositions, viz.

of Directors, after the King's pleasure thall “ 'Tha contiding in the wisdom of Parlia- have been signified on the lame. me t for an efficitual relier in the refpite of du

4ch. " That the government in India be ries for such time as the exigency of the Com. carried on, in the name of the Company, by paay's ailairs may appear to require, and for a Governor and three Counsellors at each of permitting the acceptance of the unaccepted the Presidencies of Madrass and Bombay; and Bil!s, loshat they may become payable at fuch that io foon as a vacancy, of one of the three times as it thall appear, that the Company will Counsellors, now appointed by the Company in the ordinary course of their affairs, be able in the Gwernment General of Bengal, ihall to pay the same. And also considing, that all by death, redignacion, or removal, happen, the appointments of servants, except as alter men. Government General at the Presidency of Ken. tioned, and the management of the Company's gilthall also thenceforkard be in like manner commerce fhall remain wholly with the Com- carried on by a Governor aod three Countei. pany, it is the opinion of this Court, that it lors; and ai all the three Prelidencies, the will be expedient for the Company cheerfully Governor, and Commander in Chief, who to acquietce in the following powers being shall be next in Council to the Governor, shall veled in Government, viz.

be nominated and recalled by the Crown; and ift. " That all dispatche's to or from la. the other two Countellors Thall be appointed dia on the subject of the civil or military go- by the Company, fubject to his Majesty's apPernmens, or revenues, be communicated to probarion ; and that the Company may, it one of the King's Minifiers, and that the Din their pleasure, recall any of the Councillors sréiors thall be bound to conform to his Ma- fo appointed by them, or they may be recalled jefi y's pleasure, figmfied within a competent by his Majetlý in Coarcil; and that the Go. time thereupon, the Company confiding that vernor hali, in each of the said Counciis, have Yuch controuling power will be velied in an a cafting voice." elhcient Minifier, or other person or persons enabled by their fituation and functions to at On Saturday January 10 the Proprietors of tend to the Affairs of the Company as they India Stock ballotted for the resolutions movarife.

ed by Commodore Johnstone, when, on the 24. “ That as dispatches to India, relative report of the scrutiny, the numbers were des to commercial atfairs, may be connected with clared to be, the civil or military government, or revenues For the resolutions

250 of the Company, all dispatches on commercial

Against them

56 affairs thall also be transmitted in like manner ; and the. Minifler, to whom they are

Majority for tbe resolutions 194 transmitted, shall bave poser to put a vega. Yol. Fi. Jan. 1-3.4.


vernment of their affairs. There were du&tion of any establishmeot unknown to two great points, which Parliament ought the constitution : it was his intention there. not to lose light of for a moment, in lay- fore to place the controul that he should ing down rules for the better government wish to create in fome channel already estaof India ; the one was, that the remedy blihed, and familiar to the conftirution. which was to be applied to the evils sub- In Opening his plan he said it would be fisting there should be effectual, and fully proper to obferve that hitherto the East Inadequate to the extinction of those evils dia Company had been in poffefsion of the which had brought the Company into fo territorial : Cjuisitions, to which governo much distress. The other point was, that ment had clains which had never been de. in devising this remedy, no new system cided; they had never been abandoned on should be established, that might endanger the one fide; nor had they beca recognised the constitution of this country, by intro- on the other; it was true indeed that the ducing a power for the controul of the territories had been by frequent acts of Company, but which should itself be with- Parliament left in poflession of the Compa. oat any controul. The bill brought in by my; but then it was a posseffion only jub the Right Hon. Gentimen over against modo, as the claiins made by government him, and which had been thrown but by had never been renounced. He rethe House of Lords, would have establish- joiced that as it was now become necessary ed a power, had it passed into a law, that government thould iake into its owa which would have been above all controulí hands these territorial acquisitions, it miglit for let the conduct of the Commissioners, be done without any violence to the Comwho were to have been appointed under pany or its charters ; as the Proprietors that bill, have been ever so bad, there was were themselves ready to make a voluntano power to controul them; because being ry surrender of them to the public. The appointed by the voice and act of the legi- concerns of the Company were of two lacure, it was not in the power of any one kinds, political and commercial : the forbranch of it to remove them.

mer, as they might involve this country Here was a cry of yes, yes, from the other in war, either

with the powers of Europe, Aide of the House.

or the native Princes of India, ought in Therefore the fituation of the Company future to be under the management of the would have been worse than before; be public: and for this purpose he would cause whatever controul th: re exifts at pre- propole to have a

board establithed, Sent in the 'execative government of this which should preside over the political country, over the East India Company, government of India : this Board should would by that bill have been taken away, consist of a Secretary of State, the and lodged in the hands of Commiffioners Chancellor of the Exchcquer for the time by no means dependent on the executive being, and some tivo or three members of power, which even for misconduct could the Privy Council. A board fo constituted not fufpend or remove them. There was would not be, what the right hon. gentleanother feature of that bill, which could man's board of Commissioners would have not bur give difgust to every thinking man, been, a monster in the constitution. On and raise an alarm in the mind of every the contrary, it would consist of persons friend to the constitution of this country'; already known to it; forming a part of the patronage of the Company in India the executive government of the country, was to have been put into the hands of and as such, removeable at the will of the chose Commissioners, by the means of Crown. Thus there would be a power to which a source of corruprion might have controul the East India Company; but been establithed, that would have either that power would, in its turn, be controulput an end to the strings of Parliament, or ed, as it ought to be, by the Crown. have fo corrupted them, as that they would Thus all the good that could have been be no longer what they ought to be, checks expected from the right hon. gentleman's upon the Crown and its Ministers. It was plan, would be produced by this; while impossible therefore, that forseeing to what the evils arising from an uncontrouled pow. Iniquitous purposes this patronage might er, to odious to the constitution, would potably have been applied, he fould think be avoided. As to commercial matters, of taking it out of the hands of the Com- he would leave them entirely in the hands pany where it was at present lodged. It of the Company, subject, however, to the was no inconsiderable objeét with him in interposition of the Board, whenever i drawing up a plan for the better govern- should be found necessary. if catēs thould ment of India affairs, to avoid the intro. arife, in which the Board and the directors

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