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) Diferent Ideas of P1 pared above what is low, sordid, sealy ambilions, has a far

gre Wilbroad of possesing elevated id al pu 1 and independent souls.

After all then that has been st kitus no longer her that those

denominated Gentlemen fil and proper meaning of the are not to take precedence of man vhose profession alone ha him to the appellation. Th:

bundreds of men belonging karned, the naval, and The profissions may be gentleme canot deay; but as a sta bee surely can be better tha the gentlemen who are des entitled to bear arms,immed the diferent descriptions al just before the Bar The Heralds should undou a arrassment of the

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agree to lay aside the lash of persecu- a lodging-house keeper, merely be tion, and extinguish the flames of dis- cause he had attained a high commiscord, real “knowledge may cover the sion in the army or navy, rank before earth as the waters cover the sea. a man whose forefathers had been in.

This kind of knowledge, I can aver dependently sealed for many genera. from'intimate observation, has begun tions on an hereditary estate, and to make a sensible progress among the which forefathers may perhaps have Jews. Their antipathies to Christians partaken of the blood of the noblest are rapidly wearing away. As they families? And how would the Heralds, condemn none for their faith, nor wish who pay such great regard to antito make any converts : they only re- quity, lustre, and gentility of descent, quire of their fellow-subjects that tolerate such an act? Would they they will suffer them to enjoy in quiet not thrust the upstart back to his ness that liberty of conscience which proper sphere, and place the descendthe Government and the Church of ant of an antient and honourable house England so liberally allows to all. before him? The Sermons of Dr.Hirschell, it is well Persons of good or even middling known, are frequently very pointed birth ought undoubtedly to take preon the duties of universal Toleration. cedence of all others, let them he Many of the wealthy among them what they may, unless houuured with subscribe to our Charitable Founda- a title; because their good birth is not tions, and in return several Christian an acquirement of their own, but is names appear among the list of the a gift engrafted on their blood. No Ber:efactors to the new Jewish Hospi- wealth, no learning, can make a man tal in Mile-end-road ; though they a gentleman who is not born so. neither have nor require the least in Wealth and learning are the ornaterference in management or education ments, not the constituents, of a gen. of the Jewish children there. These tleman. Fortuna non mutat genus. Christians have no connexion what. The words of Cicero might weil be ever with the London Society, or the parodied and here applied : he says, Missionaries who preach in the Jews' poeta nascitur, orator fil, and this I Chapel near Spitalhelds.

would alter to generosus nascitur, It these Strictures meet your appro- dives vel doctus fit: and again, nothing bation, I may otier some farther con can deprive a man born a ceutleman siderations upon the present condition of his gentility ; no pecur of the Jewish people in this Metropo. or sufferings, to apparent Jis, and upon somne peculiar circum- from his station. I readil stances under which they have recently a man, however low his s been placed.

he has acquired a fortun Yours, &c. W. HAMILTON Reid, liberal education, and as

the enlightened, may be Mr. URBAN,

July 6. which future gentleme RECEDENCE is a point indeed course of time spring and on which they will always disagree separation from the po till express regulations are made to founder, and by living adjust this long dubious matter. The rations on an hered ideas of your Correspondents who say grow gradually into, that Naval and Military Officers, come gentlemen : butt Doctors of Law, Physic, and Divinity, of long time, for quo should take precedence of Gentlemen, recens servabit odore are not to be regarded, because we opinion is supported see that such ideas proceed from perc has combined litera sons of no good extraction, who are ing and elegant stu aalways anxious that those who have whose effusious oft spruug, like mushrooms, from the He says, “ Theo lowest stations into the appearance of interested senti gentleinen, should take precedence however acute of those whose birth entides them low man grow strictly to that appellation. How throw a tinctu should we like to see a man, perhaps at least a cen the son of a tailor, a slonemason, or whom hered

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1810.) Different Ideas of Precedence.-- Family of Mears. 15 rely be commis placed above what is low, sordid, and a before

Park-street, Bristol, meanly ambitious, has a far greater

Mr. URBAN,

July 5. been in

likelihood of possessing elevated ideas, TN your Vol. LXXIX: P: 1204, Sup, genera and pu : and independent souls." te, and Afte. all then that has been stated, by reference to Tailleur's Chronicles

let us no longer her that those per- of Normandy, and Dugdale's Baronnoblest sons denominated Gentlemen in the age, that the antient family of Mears, Heralds

, full and proper meaning of the word, (who produced the earliest Speaker to anti are not to take precedence of every the House of Commons ever had) dedescent,

man whose profession alone has raised rived their descent from the house of

him to the appellation. That many Mountmorency in France, but it apto his hundreds of men belonging to the pears that this statement has given lescend learned, the naval, and the military offence to M. M. M. of Kilkenny, e house professions may be gentlemen born, i (see Vol. LXXX. p. 530), who wishes

cannot deny; but as a standing rule to make it appear that I have spoken odling Done surely can be better than to class erroneously, and is desirous ibat I

the gentlemen who are designated as should admit his authority in the place i he

entitled to bear arms,immediately after of the well-known and standard auvill the different descriptions of Esquires, thorities above mentioned; but this I not and just before the Bar and Church. am by no means disposed to do; and is The Heralds should undoubtedly make I wish to set your Correspondent right 0 an arrangement of the following de- as to some misconceptions into which 7

scription 18, viz. Serjcants he has precipitately fallen."
at Law,

sel, Deans, Pre- I do not state that the fumily of bendari

cars and Curates, Mears is descended from the Mount eads

ind all persons Morreses now existing in Ireland; but y academic de-1 *v their extraction much further abers of Parlia iz. from the stock of the French

Mountmorency. highly as I loc

Correspondent asserts, that authority, 1

Mountmorres and Frankfort, fer myself !

others, are the only descendn of reason

Mountmorency; but can he aternent,

ler any one so egregiously cren, howev

us as to admit that this once cading house, a bouse which flou

ned so many centuries in France, cables of

ad which formed such extensive alli

ances, had not a single remaining col. but

lateral; but that all the lines suddenly citi

failed, except a single one, the reora

presentative of which is stated to be АС

the ancestor of Lord Mountmorres: I scruple not to declare that I could not credit such an extraordinary circumstance, cyp

illustrious find Mountmorer

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presentative. Due Doc

n, and can be stated Doctor

controversion, that iny lines of the French

which several families and whose names bear a ogy of soup , and which fasated themselves, after being

vered from the patriarchal stem, is and the sister kingdom, ante

cedent,

agree to lay aside the lash of persecu. a lodging-house keeper, inerely betion, and extinguish the flames of dis cause he bad attained a high commiscord, real“ knowledge may cover the sion in the army or navy, rank before carib as the waters cover the sea.” a man whose forefathers had been in

This kind of knowledge, I can aver dependently sealed for many generafrom'intimate observation, has begun tious on an hereditary estate, and to make a sensible progress among the which forefathers may perhaps have Jews. Their antipathies to Christians partaken of the blood of the noblest are rapidly wearing away. As they fainilies ? And how would the Heralds, condemn done for their faith, nor wish who pay such great regard to antito make any converts: they only re- quity, lustre, and gentility of descent, quire of their fellow-subjects that tolerate such an act ? Would they they will sufler them to enjoy in quiet, not thrust the upstart back to his ness that liberty of conscience which proper sphere, and place the descendthe Government and the Church of ant of an antient and honourable bouse England so liberally allows to all. before him : The Sermons of Dr.Hirschell, it is well Persons of good or even middling known, are frequently very pointed birth ought undoubtedly to take preon the duties of universal Toleration. cedence of all others, let them be Many of the wealthy among them what they may, unless homuuted with subscribe to our Charitable lounda- a title; because their good birth is not tions, and in return several Christian an acquirement of their own, but is names appear among the list of the a gift engrafted on their blood. No Betrefactors to the new Jewish Hospi- wealth, no learning, can make a man tal in Mile-end-road ; though they a gentleman who is not born so. neither have nor require the least in- Wealth and learning are the ornaterference in management or education ments, not the constituents, of a genof the Jewish children there. These tleman. Fortuna non mutat genus. Christians have no connexion what. The words of Cicero might weil be ever with the London Society, or the parodied and here applied: he says, Missionaries who preach in the Jews' poeta nascitur, orator fit, and this I Chapel near Spitalfields.

would alter to generosus nascitur, It these Strictures meet your appro- dives vel doctus fit: and again, nothing bation, I may otier some farther con- can deprive a man born a gentleman siderations upon the present condition of his gentility; no pecuniary losses of the Jewish people in this Metropo- or sufferings, po apparent degradation lis, and upon some peculiar circum- from his station. I readily grant that stances under which they have recently a man, however low his station, after been placed.

he has acquired a fortune, received a Yours, &c. W. HAMILTON Reid. liberal education, and associated with

the enlightened, may be the stock from Mr. URBAN, July 6. which fulure gentlemen may in the

, on which “ Doctors disagree," descendants, by dint of education, by and on which they will always disagree separation from the pursuits of their till express regulations are made to founder, and by living for some geneadjust this long dubious matter. The rations on an hereditary property, ideas of your Correspondents who say grow gradually into, and finally bethat Naval and Military Officers, come gentlemen : but this is a work Doctors of Law, Physic, and Dinily, of long time, for quo semel est imbuta should take precedence of Genen, res rrubit odorem testa diu; this are not to be regarded, b we

supported by a writer who see that such ideas proces ner

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placed above what is low, sordid, and

Mr. URBAN,

Park-street, Bristol, meanly arobitions, has a far greater

July 5. likelihood of possessing elevated ideas, TN your Vol. LXXIX: P: 1204, Supand pu: and independent souls."

Afte, all then that has been stated, by reference to Tailleur's Chronicles let us no longer her that those per- of Normandy, and Dugdale's Baronsons denominated Gentlemen in the age, that the antient fainily of Mears, full and proper meaning of the word, (who produced the earliest Speaker are not io take precedence of every the House of Commons ever had) deman whose profession alone has raised rived their descent from the house of him to the appellation. That many Mountmorency in France, but it aphundreds of men belonging to the pears that this statenent has given learned, the naval, and ihe military offence to M. M. M. of Kilkenny, professions may be gentlemen born, 1 (sce Vol. LXXX. p. 530), who wishes cannot deny ; but as a standing rule to make it appear that I have spoken pone surely can be better than to class erroneously, and is desirous ibat I the gentlemen who are designated as should admit his authority in the place entitled to beararms,immediately after of the well-known and standard authe different descriptions of Esquires, thorities above mentioned; but this I and just before the Bar and Church. am by no means disposed to do; and The Heralds should undoubtedly make 1 wish to set your Correspondent right an arrangement of the following de as to some misconceptions into which scription of persons, viz. Serjcants he has precipitately fallen. at Law, King's Counsel, Deans, Pre I do not state that the family of bendaries, Rectors, Vicarsand Curates, Mears is descended from the Mount Heads of Colleges, and all persons Morreses now existing in Ireland; but who have received any academic de- ! carry their extraction much further gree, Physicians, Members of Parlia- back, viz. from the stock of the French ment, &c.

house of Mountmorency. As for Blackstone, highly as I look Your Correspondent asserts, that up to him as a legal authority, I ne Lords Mountmorres and Frankfort, vertheless cannot suffer myself to be and two others, are the only descendled out of the path of reason and ants of Mountmorency ; but can be propriety by his statement, or that consider any one so egregiously creof any other person, however great dulous as to admit that this once tbeir name.

spreading house, a house which flouThe word Citizen, Vol. LXXX. p. rished so many centuries in France, 535, when used in tables of precedence, and which formed such extensive allidoes not, I believe, incan those who arces, had not a single remaining col. reside in the city, but representatives lateral; but that all the lines suddenly in parliament for cities, just as Eur. failed, except a single one, the regess means one for a borough. presentative of which is stated to be Yours, &c. A CONSTANT READER. the ancestor of Lord Mountmorres ?

I scruple not to declare that I could

not credit such an extraordinary cirMr. URBAN,

July 12.

cumstance, even if the illustrious In

it stated that Doctors of Divinity, rise and declare it. He might as well Law, Physick, and Musick, have pre- assert, that the noble funilies of cedence of Esquires. That Doctors Grosvenor, Seymour, Cavenish, Clifin general take place of Esquires 1. ford, Moore, Egerton, Neville, and Well known, but as to Doctors of an hundred others, are all now ceuMusick in particular, as all Musters tered in a single representative. of Arts bave precedence of those Doc It is well known, and can be stated tors, will it not follow that if Doctors without fear of controversion, that of Musick precede Esquires, Masters there were many lines of the French of cht also to take place of stock from which several families

Photo real Esquires, pot proceeded, and whose names bear :

its who have chosen close analogy of soup , and which fathemselves by that milies seated themselves, after being

long severed from the patriarchal stem, OXONIENSIS. in this and the sister kingdom, ante

cedent,

agree to lay aside the lash of persecu. a lodging-house keeper, inerely betion, and extinguish the flames of dis cause he had attained a high commiscord, real knowledge may cover the sion in the army or navy, rank before earih as the waters cover the sea." a man whose forefathers had been in

This kind of knowledge, I can aver dependently sealed for many generafrom intimate observation, has begun tions on an hereditary estate, and to make a sensible progress among the which forefathers may perhaps have Jews. Their antipathies to Christians partaken of the blood of the noblest are rapidly wearing away. As they fainilies? And how would the Heralds, condemn none for their faith, nor wish who pay such great regard to antito make any converts: they only re- quity, lustre, and gentility of desceot, quire of their fellow-subjects that tolerate such an act? Would they they will suffer them to enjoy in quiet not thrust the upstart back to his ness that liberty of conscience which proper sphere, and place the descendthe Government and the Church of ant of an anlient and honourable house England so liberally allows to all. before him? The Sermons of Dr.Hirschell, it is well Persoos of good or even middling known, are frequently very pointed birth ought undoubtedly to take preon the duties of universal Toleration. cedence of all others, let them he Many of the wealthy among them what they may, unless honvured with subscribe to our Charitable Founda a title; because their good birth is not tions, and in return several Christian an acquirement of their own, but is names appear among the list of the a gift engrafted on their blood. No Ber:efactors to the new Jewish Hospi wealth, no learning, can make a man tal in Mile-end-road ; though they a gentleman who is not born so. neither have nor require the least in- Wealth and learning are the ornaterference in management or education inents, not the conslituents, of a gell. of the Jewish children there. These tleman. Fortuna non mutat genus. Christians have no connexion what. The words of Cicero might weil be ever with the London Society, or the parodied and here applied: he says, Missionaries who preach in the Jews' poela nascitur, orator fit, and this I Chapel near Spitalfields.

would alter to generusus nascitur, If these Strictures meet your appro- dives vel doctus fit: and again, nothing bation, I may otier some farther con can deprive a man born a gentleman siderations

upon the present condition of his gentility; no pecuniary losses of the Jewish people in this Metropo or sufferings, po apparent degradation lis, and upon some peculiar circum- from his station. I readily grant that stances under which they have recently a man, however low bis station, after been placed.

he has acquired a fortune, received & Yours, &c. W. HAMILTON Reip. liberal education, and associated with

the enlightened, may be the stock from Mr. URBAN,

July 6. which fulure gentlemen way in the RECEDENCE is a point indeed course of time spring, because his

on which “ Doctors disagree," descendants, by dint of education, by and on which they will always disayree separation from the pursuits of their till express regulations are made to founder, and by living for some geneadjust this long dubious matter. The rations on an hereditary property, ideas of your Correspondents who say grow gradually into, and loally be. that Naval and Military Officers, come gentlemen : but this is a work Doctors of Law, Physic, and Divinily, of long time, for quo,semel esl imbute should take precedence of Gentlemen, recens servabit odorem testa diu ; this are not to be regarded, because we opinion is supported by a writer wlio sec that such ideas proceed from perc has combined literature with the pleas sons of no good extraction, who are ing and elegant study of heraldry, and always anxious that those who have whosceffusious often grace your pages. sprung, like mushrooms, from the He says, “ The corrupted heart, the lowest stations into the appearance of interested sentiments, the debased, gentlemen, should take precedence however acute, understanding of a of those whose birth entides them low man growu great, are tov apt to strictly to that appellation. How

How throw a tincture over his family for should we like to see a man, perhaps at least a century, whereas that race the son of a tailor, a slonemason, or whom hereditary affluvace has long

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