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, the naval, and the military offence to M. professions may be gentlemen born, I (see Vol. LXX caunot deay ; but as a standing rule to make it app wte surely can be better than to class erroneously, the gentlemen who are designated as should admith entitled to bear arms,immediately after of the well-ku the diferent descriptions of Esquires, thorities abovi al just before the Bar and Church. am by no mem The Heralds should undoubtedly make 1 wish to set y a arrancament of the following de- as to some mi

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Mr. URBAN,

Park-street, Bristol,

July 5. likelihood of profesing elevated ideas, Iconen kolobarea mea di

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plement, I stated that I had found Afte. all then that has been stated, by reference to Tailleur's Chronicles

let us no longer her that those per- of Normandy, and Dugdale's Baron, Doblest sons denominated Gentlemen in the age, that the antient fainily of Mears, eralds

full and proper meaning of the word, (who produced the earliest Speaker antia are not to take precedence of every the House of Commons ever had) descent, man whose profession alone has raised rived lheir descent from the house of

they him to the appellation. That many Mountmorency in France, but it ap- his

hundreds of men belonging to the pears that this statement has given end- learned, the naval, and the military offence to M. M. M. of Kilkenny,

professions may be gentlemen born, I (see Vol. LXXX. p. 530), who wishes cannot deny ; but as a standing rule to make it appear that I have spoken none surely can be better than to class erroneously, and is desirous ibat I the gentlemen who are designated as should admit his authority in the place entitled to bear arms,immediately after of the well-known and standard authe different descriptions of Esquires, thorities above mentioned; but this I and just before the Bar and Church. am by no means disposed to do; and The Heralds should undoubtedly make I wish to set your Correspondent right an arrangement of the following de- as to some misconceptions into which scription 15, viz. Serjeants he has precipitately fallen. at Law,

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14 State of the Jews in England.--Tables of Precedence. (July, agree to lay aside the lash of persecu. a lodging-house keeper, merely betion, and extinguish the flames of dis- cause he bad attained a high commiscord, real “knowledge may cover the sion in the army or navy, rank before earib as the waters cover the sea.” a man whose forefathers had been in.

This kind of knowledge, I can aver dependently seated for many genera. from'intimate observation, has begun tions on an hereditary estate, and to make a sensible progress among the which forefathers may perhaps have Jews. Their antipathies to Christians partaken of the blood of the noblest are rapidly wearing away. As they farnilies ? And how would the Heralds, condemn done for their faith, nor wish who pay such great regard to antito make any converts: they only re- quity, lustre, and gentility of descent, quire of their fellow-subjects that tolerate such an act? Would they they will suffer them to enjoy in quiet, not thrust the upstart back to his ness that liberty of conscience which proper sphere, and place the descendthe Government and the Church of ant of an antient and honourable bouse England so liberally allows to all. besore him : The Sermons of Dr.Hirschell, it is well Persons of good or even middling known, are frequently very pointed birth ought undoubtedly to take preon the duties of universal Toleration. cedence of all others, let them he Many of the wealthy ainong them what they may, unless homvured with subscribe to our Charitable founda- a title ; because their good birth is not tions, and in return several Christian an acquirement of their own, but is names appear among the list of the a gift engrafted on their blood. No Betrefactors to the new Jewish Hospi- wealth, no learning, can make a man tal in Mile-end-road ; though they a gentleman who is not born so. neither have 'nor require the least in- Wealth and learning are the orpaterference in management or education ments, vot the constituents, of a geilof the Jewish children there. These tleman. Fortuna non mutat genus. Christians have no connexion what. The words of Cicero might weil be ever with the London Society, or the parodied and here applied : he says, Missionaries who preach in the Jews' poeta nascitur, orator fit, and this I Chapel near Spitalfields.

would alter to generosus nascitur, If these Strictures meet your appro- dives vel doctus fit: and again, nothing bation, I may otier some farther con- can deprive a man born a gentleman siderations upon the present condition of his gentility; no pecuniary losses of the Jewish people in this Metropo- or sufferings, bo apparent degradation Jis, and upon some peculiar circum- from his station. I readily grant that stances under which they have recently a man, however low his station, aster been placed.

he has acquired a fortune, received a Yours, &c. W. HAMILTON Reid, liberal education, and associated with

the enlightened, may be the stock from Mr. URBAN,

July 6. which future gentlemen may in the PRECEDENCE is a point indeed course of time spring, because his

on which “ Doctors disagree," descendants, by dint of education, by and on which they will always disagree separation from the pursuits of their till express regulations are made to founder, and by living for some geneadjust this long dubious matter. The rations on an hereditary property, ideas of your Correspondents who say grow gradually into, and finally bethat Naval and Military Officers, come gentlemen : but this is a work Doctors of Law, Physic, and D-nily, of long time, for quo semel est imbuta should take precedence of G men, rer rrubit odorem testa diu ; this are not to be regarded, h

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placed above what is low, sordid, and meanly ambitions, has a far greater

Mr. URBAN,

Park-street, Bristol,

July 5. likelihood of possessing elevated ideas, IN

N your Vol. LXXIX. p. 1204, Supe and pu souls.

plement, I stated that I had found Afte. all then that has been stated, by reference to Tailleur's Chronicles let us no longer her that those per- of Normandy, and Dugdale's Baronsons denominated Gentlemen in the age, that the antient fainily of Mears, full and proper meaning of the word, (who produced the earliest Speaker are not to take precedence of every the House of Commons ever had) deman whose profession alone has raised' rived their descent from the house of him to the appellation. That many Mountmorency in France, but it aphundreds of men belonging to the pears that this statement has given learned, the naval, and the military offence to M. M. M. of Kilkenny, professions may be gentlemen born, 1 (sce Vol. LXXX. p. 530), who wishes cannot deny; but as a standing rule to make it appear that I have spoken none surely can be better than to class erroneously, and is desirous ibat I the gentlemen who are designated as should admit his authority in the place entitled to beararms,immediately after of the well-known and standard authe different descriptions of Esquires, thorities above mentioned; but this I and just before the Bar and Church. am by no means disposed to do; and The Heralds should undoubtedly make I wish to set your Correspondent right an arrangement of the following de- as to sunie misconceptions into which scription of persons, viz. Serjcants he has precipitately fallen. at Law, King's Counsel, Deans, Pre- I do not state that the family of bendaries, Rectors, Vicars and Curates, Meurs is descended from the Mount Heads of Colleges, and all persons Morreses now existing in Ireland; but who have received any academic de- ! carry their extraction much further gree, Physiciaos, Members of Parlia- back, viz. from the stock of the French mcnt, &c.

house of Mountmorency. As for Blackstone, highly as I look Your Correspondent asserts, that up to him as a legal authority, I ne- Lords Mountmorres and Frankfort, vertheless cannot suffer myself to be and two others, are the only descendled out of the path of reason and ants of Mountmorency; but can he propriety by his stateinent, or that consider any one so egregiously creof any other person, however great dulous as to admit that this once tbeir name.

spreading house, a house which flouThe word Citizen, Vol. LXXX. p. rished so many centuries in France, 595, when used in tables of precedence, and which formed such extensive allidoes not, I believe, inean those who arces, had not a single remaining col. reside in the city, but representatives lateral; but that all the lines suddenly in parliament for cities, just as bure failed, except a single one, the regess means one for a borough. presentative of which is stated to be Yours, &c. A CONSTANT READER. the ancestor of Lord Mountmorres :

I scruple not to declare that I could

pot credit such an extraordinary cirMr. URBAN,

July 12.

cumstance, even if the illustrious I N

it stated that Doctors of Divinity, rise and declare it. He might as well Law, Physick, and Musick, have pre- assert, that the noble families of cedence of Esquires. That Doctors Grosvenor, Seymour, Caven ish, Clif. in general take place of Esquires 19 ford, Moore, Egerton, Neville, and Well known, but as to Doctors of an hundred others, are all now ceuMusick in particular, as all Musters tered in a single representative. of Arts have precedence of those Doc- It is well known, and can be stated tors, will it not follow that if Doctors without fear of controversion, that of Musick precede Esquires, Masters there were many lines of the French of Cht also to take place of stock from which several families

24:10 real Esquires, pot proceeded, and whose names bear :

ity who have chosen close analogy of soun, and which fathemselves by that milies seated themselves, after being

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State of the Jews in England. -Tables of Precedence. (July, agree to lay aside the lash of persecu. a lodging-house keeper, merely betion, and extinguish the flames of dis- cause he bad attained a high commis cord, real "knowledge may cover the sion in the army or navy, rank before carth as the waters cover the sea.” a man whose forefathers had been in.

This kind of knowledge, I can aver dependently sealed for many generafrom'intimate observation, has begun tions on an hereditary estate, and to make a sensible progress among the which forefathers may per haps have Jews. Their antipathies to Christians partaken of the blood of the noblest are rapidly wearing away: As they fainilies ? And how would the Heralds, condeinn none for their faith, nor wish who pay such great regard to antito make any converts: they only re- quity, lustre, and gentility of desceot, quire of their fellow-subjects that tolerate such an act? Would they they will suffer them to enjoy in quiet- not thrust the upstart back to his ness that liberty of conscience which proper sphere, and place the descendthe Government and the Church of ant of an antient and honourable bouse England so liberally allows to all. belore him : The Sermons of Dr.Hirschell, it is well Persons of good or even middling known, are frequently very pointed birth ought undoubtedly to take preon the duties of universal Toleration. cedence of all others, let them he Many of the wealthy among them what they may, unless honoured with subscribe to our Charitable Founda- a title; because their good birth is not tions, and in return several Christian an acquirement of their own, but is names appear among the list of the a gift engrafted on their blood. No Betrefactors to the new Jewish Hospi- wealth, no learning, can make a man tal in Mile-end-road ; though they a gentleman who is not born so. neither have nor require the least in- Wealth and learning are the ornaterference in management or education inents, not the constituents, of a gen. of the Jewish children there. These tleman. Fortuna non mutat genus. Christians have no connexion what. The words of Cicero might weil be ever with the London Society, or the parodied and here applied: he says, Missionaries who preach in the Jews' poela nascitur, orator fil, and this I Chapel near Spitalfields.

would alter to generusus nascitur, If these Strictures ineet your appro- dives vel doctus fit: and again, nothing bation, I may otier some farther con- can deprive a man born a gentleman siderations upon the present condition of his gentility ; nu pecuniary losses of the Jewish people in this Metropo- or sufferings, po apparent degradation lis, and upon some peculiar circum- from his station. I readily grant that stances under which they have recently a man, however low his station, alter been placed.

he has acquired a fortune, received Yours, &c. W. HAMILTON Reid. liberal education, and associated with

the enlightened, may be the stock from Mr. URBAN,

July 6. which future gentlemen way in the PRECEDEN CE is a point indeed course of time spring, because his

on which “ Doctors disagree," descendants, by dint of education, by and on which they will always disayree separation from the pursuits of their till express regulations are made to founder, and by living for soine geneadjust this long dubious matter. The rations on an hereditary property, ideas of your Correspondents who say grow gradually into, and linally be that Naval and Military Officers, come gentlenien : but this is a work Doctors of Law, Physic, and Divinity, of long time, for quo,semel est imbute should take precedence of Gentlemen, recens servabit odorem testa diu; this are not to be regarded, because we opinion is supported by a writer wlio see that such ideas proceed from perc has combined literature with the pleassons of no good extraction, who are ing and elegant study of heraldry, and always anxious that those who have whose effusious often grace your pages. spruug, like mushrooms, from the He says, " The corrupted heart, the lowest stations into the appearance of interested sentiments, the debased, gentleinen, should take precedence however acule, understanding of a of those whose birth entitles them low man growu great, are too apt to strictly to that appellation. How throw a tincture over his fainily for should we like to see a man, perhaps at least a century, whereas that race the son of a tailor, a slonemason, or whom hereditary affluence has long

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